.451 cast or swagged

[Greenmtnboy]

Anybody know where I can buy cast or swagged .451
whitworth or volunteer 470 to 500 grn bullets or .451 bullets in general?
Kinda hard to find :shake:

 

[ResearchPress]

Joe Hepsworth sells them. See his web site at[url] www.jcunard.com[/url]


David

 

[doulos]

Type in No Excuses bullets into a search engine. He makes bullets that are .451 and 460 grains and 495 grains. I shot the 460 out of a 1-20 twist White Rifles Inline and the bullets were very ,very accurate out of that twist. Hes a great guy to deal with also

 

[gmww]

If all else fails you might consider casting them yourself. Check out this site. He will make a mould for you. He has an online program you can use. I just created what you asked for to see if I could.

A 480 grn .451 whitworth. Looks cool. :thumbsup:
[url] http://www.mountainmolds.com[/url]/

 

[Idaho Ron]

I agree pour your own. I have a Whitworth mould and I love the thing. Mine throws .454 and my gun is .458 but it likes the bullets in the .454 range. My gun also likes the bullets to be hard. I have tried soft and they don't shoot as good, but I am now trying different lube. I have sizer dies from LEE and they run about 18.00 per size. I have three sizers, .452, .454,and 457
My mould throws bullets that weigh 475 to 477 pure lead, 471 to 473 with lead from chilled shot.
The chilled shot bullets will plow holes through a rail road tie at 150 yards and keep on going.
Ron

 

[MercerLake]

:v Lyman and NEI both have a .451 mold I believe, I use a Lyman .451 mold for my Whitworth. Grease groove bullets work fine, but you do need to use a cardboard wad OP to protect the bullets base. With soft lead you will still get good upset even with 50-60 gr of FFg, but the velocity and RPS of the bullet will be too low at that loading. I generally use 90 grains even for WW lead and that upsets fully also. I have a hammer swaging die for making hexagon bullets from round grooved or PP slugs, too slow for making any large number of bullets. :v

 

[TFoley]

Until I ran out a couple of weeks ago, I used to shoot the heavy - 595gr - swaged bullets made by the Polisar Brothers in Albuquerque NM.

These beautiful bullets were each a work of art, having the same 1:20 hexagonal twist as the barrel - and a prefectly flat base. Paper-patched and dipped in a 50/50 mix of beeswax and Neets foot Oil, they grouped five shots into a 1.5/2" ragged hole at 100 yards if you carried out the loading drill exactly as recommended.
Sadly, I have since found out that they are no longer in the business of mass-production of these items.

I find that the Lyman .451 multi-groove bullet works pretty well, but I'm not that keen to shoot a round bullet out of an expensive hexagonal barrel. The challenge of shooting a hexagonal bullet and the difficulty of making the thing work well occupied me for many years before the Polisars came along and sorted me out.

All the advice you have here is good if you shoot cylindrical bullets.

tac

 

[Greenmtnboy]

:v Lyman and NEI both have a .451 mold I believe, I use a Lyman .451 mold for my Whitworth. Grease groove bullets work fine, but you do need to use a cardboard wad OP to protect the bullets base. With soft lead you will still get good upset even with 50-60 gr of FFg, but the velocity and RPS of the bullet will be too low at that loading. I generally use 90 grains even for WW lead and that upsets fully also. I have a hammer swaging die for making hexagon bullets from round grooved or PP slugs, too slow for making any large number of bullets. :v

Thanks for all the info guys.
Mercerlake do you use pure lead?, also can I use a simple 45 cal fiber wad or do I need a cardboard one.
I haven't decided on a mold as of yet am leaning towards Rapine, witch will take a wile to get so in the mean time I was trying to find somebody who makes .451 bullets just to get started.