.45cal Late Lancaster on the way.....(sort of)

[roundball]

OK, the deed is done...finished selling off my last metric ton of T/C Hawkens, accessories, parts, & supplies from an earlier life, and finalized my order for a custom build with Matt Avance this morning.

Late Lancaster / S.P.++ maple / Stock Dimensions / Brass furniture
Rice 42" B-weight swamped .45cal / round bottom grooves
Chambers Deluxe Siler / Davis double set triggers

Should arrive after spring turkey, and have the summer to play with it / set it up for 2012 deer.
There really should be a 12 step program for this addiction...LOL

 

[Macon Due]

Roundball
Wooohooooooo........now the wait begins [again huh?] :grin:

Macon

 

[Rifleman1776]

Ye got me drooling.
Keep us updated.
Does this mean you are muzzleloader-less right now? :shocked2:

 

[roundball]

Does this mean you are muzzleloader-less right now? :shocked2:

Surely you jest
:rotf:

 

[BrownBear]

There really should be a 12 step program for this addiction...LOL

There's actually a 3-step program: Ready, aim, fire. :wink:

Or should that be "dream, scrounge, buy!" :rotf:

 

[wattlebuster]

The only cure for this is to ship them all to me an I will keep the evil away from you. Congratulations :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[rafterob]

So, just what exactly is the exchange rate for TC's to Customs?

 

[Tony Logan]

Congrats Roundball on the new expected addition to your growing family. I certainly understand the desire to have one in every flavor. I am in between guns now. also know as the dream, scrounge, and buy time period. It is hard to stay focused when you start getting a little saved up.I am holding out for a 54 smoothie.

I believe you are going to really love the 45. I am taking my 45 poor boy deer hunting this weekend. It will be its first trip. i have always used a 50, but all these 45 posts have got me itchin to put a 445 thru a whiteails lungs. Hopefully I will be posting a pic next week.

 

[ohio ramrod]

There is a twelve step program for black powder addiction. 1.fire gun 2. clean gun, 3. Oil gun.4. buy another gun. five through twelve repeat one through four two times. :idunno: :idunno:

 

[Zonie]

Roundball
You really should have this new rifle built using the "old fashioned" vent directly into the barrel rather than paying extra for some sort of Patent Breech.
There is no flame channel or other small chamber to deal with and as soon as your powder load hits the breech plug it is automatically located right at the vent hole.

I know you grew up using patent breeched guns but you will find that they really offer no real advantage.
The old direct vent style is also much easier to clean.

 

[roundball]

Roundball
I know you grew up using patent breeched guns but you will find that they really offer no real advantage. The old direct vent style is also much easier to clean..

I appreciate that you have an opinion, but you obviously haven't put about 14,000 shots through them in TC / GM / Rice barrels or you wouldn't make such statements...and since I have, with all due respect I couldn't possibly disagree more strongly.

After about 20 years of actual hands on experience using them, there's nothing about today's patent breeches that I could even imagine improving upon...to summarize:

There's no place for any fouling to collect;
There's no breech face to scrape;
They're self cleaning from the down blast venting;
There's never a need to use a vent pick;
The powder is right there perched in the vent hole;
The powder is only .030" away from the pan flash;
They produce extremely fast ignition;
They're 100% reliable without any dependency on maintaining / picking them;

I have no interest in owning a Flint barrel without one of today's patent breeches...
:thumbsup:

 

Whoa! It's déjà vu all over again. :haha:
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/256137/

 

Roundball
I know you grew up using patent breeched guns but you will find that they really offer no real advantage. The old direct vent style is also much easier to clean..

I appreciate that you have an opinion, but you obviously haven't put about 14,000 shots through them in TC / GM / Rice barrels or you wouldn't make such statements...and since I have, with all due respect I couldn't possibly disagree more strongly.

After about 20 years of actual hands on experience using them, there's nothing about today's patent breeches that I could even imagine improving upon...to summarize:

There's no place for any fouling to collect;
There's no breech face to scrape;
They're self cleaning from the down blast venting;
There's never a need to use a vent pick;
The powder is right there perched in the vent hole;
The powder is only .030" away from the pan flash;
They produce extremely fast ignition;
They're 100% reliable without any dependency on maintaining / picking them;

I have no interest in owning a Flint barrel without one of today's patent breeches...
:thumbsup:

The same holds true for percussion patent breeches,I have put 1000's of shots through rifles with perc patent breech's,very few issues ever

 

[Capt. Jas.]

My friend just built a barrel for another friend who just happens to be a Carolina boy. It has a hidden chambered breech and a false standing breech. I know you are now a professional pin puller but I love the idea of an 18th century take-down stock with keys. Pull the keys, unhook the breech, drop the breech in a bucket with fore end still attached for protection and flush away. That is my plan for a future piece anyway.
Enjoy your wait. I know you will not be lonely. How many other flint pieces do you have????

 

[rootsy]

What's the added cost of going patent breech vs "traditional" hole through the side?

 

[tg]

I think some folks just have no interest in experienceing some of the old ways that things were done but still like the cosmetic efect of a flint ML no liners and a non patten breech are just a couple of examples, no foul, some just like the added experience and sometimes challenge that some of the older ways add to the sport,and one can still have excellant performance with out the more modern approach, but this has been the status quo since MLing came back into vouge so it is the natural path now.

 

[roundball]

And seeing your same old tired negative complaints about what "other people do" makes it obvious that you still don't get it...that everybody else in the world does not see things through your same tiny little narrow view.

But as you've posted in the past, you wear modern Gore-Tex socks but consider that OK because they're out of sight...

:shake:

 

[roundball]

The same holds true for percussion patent breeches,I have put 1000's of shots through rifles with perc patent breech's,very few issues ever

Yes, used several caplocks for several years, same excellent results...

 

[roundball]

What's the added cost of going patent breech vs "traditional" hole through the side?

Much of the cost is the normal cost of buying and fitting a new breechplug to begin with.
Track of the Wolf recommended the Custom Breeching Shop to me...Dennis McCandless, Los Cruces, NM...each of the 4 new custom patent breech plugs I had made / fitted from scratch on 4 new Rice barrels were in the $80-90 range as I recall. Google him up, give him a call...

 

[tg]

"no foul, some just like the added experience and sometimes challenge that some of the older ways add to the sport,and one can still have excellant performance with out the more modern approach'

Not a negative post, just an accurate observation to bad if it bothers your modern oriented senitivites, it is sad that if one mentions that there are other ways that offer acceptable results and at the same time perhaps create a closer tie to the past,my post was no different than Zonies, it just brings up another option, and offers a real look into what things are as they are with the use of modern stuff, I guess we can only talk about what Roundball does things now? I have never claimed that what I do is OK and what others do is not...how many P's in pompass?