58 cal carbine by Mr. Hoyt in WMC stock

[chorizo]

Received my latest Mr Bobby Hoyt rebore today, in 58cal. It started life as an early Renegade 50 cal and I had it rebored to 58 cal with a 1:38 twist ..580 bore to groove .010 tall lands and cut to 24". It is mounted in a reinforced 54cal White Mountain Carbine stock. It weights 7lbs even!

I will be shooting 580 grain Maxi-balls out of it.

It is pictured alongside of my 54 cal 21" that Mr. Hoyt bored out for me.

It should be a real thumper. It will be my hunting gun when I have to share my hunting territory with old Mr. Ephriam, the griz.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

Nice. I've got a .50 cal TC Renegade barrel that was given to me with a ruined bore. I've been considering finding someone to give it the same makeover. It will need shortened as it's one of those QLA barrels.

 

[Can't Hear Deer Hunter]

Mr. Hoyt just did my Renegade 50 to a 58. 1:40 twist with the same maxi-ball. What maxi are you using? I ordered a accurate mold to match the bore.

 

[chorizo]

https://www.octobercountry.com/maxi-balls/

Mr. Hoyt just did my Renegade 50 to a 58. 1:40 twist with the same maxi-ball. What maxi are you using? I ordered a accurate mold to match the bore.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

I'm actually getting back into the traditional ML game. In my younger days I got caught up in the modern stuff and outside of cleanings haven't treated myself to these old gals in quite some time. Looking through my collection of projectiles the other day I used a-lot of the Hornady plains bullets.

To add to the above the only .58 I have to date is a 1853 Enfield repro. I've only ever shot round balls out of it.

 

[necchi]

It is mounted in a reinforced 54cal White Mountain Carbine stock.

Just curious, what did ya do to "reinforce"?

 

[SOLANCO]

Nice. And healthy. I assume that since you will be "sharing" terrain with Grizz you will also have something like a .44 Mag unmentionable?

 

[SDSmlf]

It is mounted in a reinforced 54cal White Mountain Carbine stock.

Curious how you reinforced your WMC stock. I have posted what I do before, replacing the wood screws with machine screws after drilling and tapping into the trigger assembly. Looking forward to learning some new ideas.

 

[TDM]

Wicked nice @chorizo! But be careful out there!

 

[chorizo]

@SDSmlf sorry to disappoint, but I followed exactly your illustration. Your method is brilliant. I learned from you. I have even referred others to your post.

I additionally glass bedded the back of the tang, the tang bed, and the trigger. It feels exceptionally solid.

I picked the WMC specifically based upon your post as the design lends itself to reinforcing as you show. The way the trigger is built is key.

@necchi I used the SDSmf method

 

[chorizo]

Double post

 

[chorizo]

Nice. And healthy. I assume that since you will be "sharing" terrain with Grizz you will also have something like a .44 Mag unmentionable?

Yes. If I could carry a tank I would.

 

[chorizo]

I haven't had the opportunity to handle a T/C Big Boar, but it appears to me, from pictures I have seen, that it uses the same tang/trigger combination as the WMC. If it does, I think, given the great idea from SDSmf that I am on the right track for a sturdy , recoil capable big gun

 

[hanshi]

I like your "shorty" rifle, it's a beauty. Plus you had Bob Hoyt do his magic on it. I had a .40 bored out to .45 and really love it. And be careful around those manholes ringed with fur and teeth.

 

[chorizo]

I like your "shorty" rifle, it's a beauty.

I just saw on Guns International a 54cal 21" renegade carbine.

Asking $1200

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...leloader-54-cal-21-quot-.cfm?gun_id=101996153

 

[SDSmlf]

I additionally glass bedded the back of the tang, the tang bed, and the trigger. It feels exceptionally solid.

Bedding behind the tang in the barrel channel will definitely help the stock absorb recoil, however, bedding tight up behind the end of the tang where it sits in the wrist of the stock can lead to problems with heavy loads. I have seen wood chip out behind the end of the tang when there is a perfect bedded fit between the end of the tang and the stock. You want that perfect fit to the stock and tang directly behind the breech plug in the barrel channel and maybe .010” or so clearance at the end of the tang. I use a bit of tape on the end of the tang to create that clearance.

 

[chorizo]

Exactly what I did. I have been working with fine sxs Spanish shotgun and express rifles sidelocks for years and actually was taught a few tricks to strengthen heavy Caliber express sxs rifles by a Spanish master gunsmith. Also need to relieve the through bolt holes on the sidelock. They should not be touching wood. Same with bolt from tang to trigger.

 

[SDSmlf]

@SDSmlf sorry to disappoint, but I followed exactly your illustration. Your method is brilliant. I learned from you. I have even referred others to your post

Appreciate the compliment. I have done the WMC reinforcement on quite a few T/Cs, with some being repairs to broken or cracked stocks. I am not aware of any of those stocks failing in that area from recoil (or any other reason) post repair/reinforcement, though I have heard of a few bruised shoulders.

 

[SDSmlf]

Also need to relieve the through bolt holes on the sidelock. They should not be touching wood. Same with bolt from tang to trigger.

One of the reasons I believe the wood screws contribute to the T/C cracked stocks. I have also replaced both the wood screws on many T/C Hawken and Renegades with machine screws and threaded inserts. With later T/Cs with the single machine screw that goes through the trigger plate and into the trigger guard, I still replace the rear wood screw on the tang with a machine screw and insert. Interesting that some complained removing wood from stock for clearance for the machine screws would weaken the stock.

T/C just isn’t making enough replacement stocks anymore…..

 

[chorizo]

People believe what they want to believe, facts be damned. Wood screw tangs are a poor design feature, bolts aren't designed for lateral recoil and narrow impacts to wood leads to cracks. Yet, take wood away from those areas and you have destroyed their gun.

Another fallacy, narrow stocks are an issue... Yet fine Spanish sxs sidelocks have dainty stocks and suffer much more recoil that the standard 75 grain powder load and prb in 50 cal without issue. Design and craftsmanship are the reasons. The heavy Caliber express sxs rifles make t/c guns look like 2x4s yet they don't have stock issues