58 caliber TC barrel

[Grantman]

The barrel went for $255.00 with 18 bids!

 

[roundball]

The barrel went for $255.00 with 18 bids!

Amazing...they're $185 brand new from TC's Fox Ridge store :shake:

 

[Grantman]

I tried to find a link to Fox ridge without success.

 

[roundball]

I tried to find a link to Fox ridge without success.

Their site has been down for a while, ostensibly for redesign/overhaul.

Toll free # is 800-243-4570, menu option #3

 

[Grantman]

Thanks, I'll give them a call. If the $$$ are not too steep, I'd love to have a 58 Hawken. I'm also curious as to weight.

 

[roundball]

Thanks, I'll give them a call. If the $$$ are not too steep, I'd love to have a 58 Hawken. I'm also curious as to weight.

If you're pretty sure you won't be hunting water buffalo and not need a 525grn conical grin: ) I'd make this suggestion: Just buy a complete new stock & lock assembly from Fox Ridge but no barrel.

Then buy the .58cal 1" x 33" x 1:70" round ball "drop-in" barrel from GM...you will be satisfied forever! I and some others have the GM .58cal barrel in TC Hawken and/or Renegade stocks and couldn't be more pleased with them.
:thumbsup:

 

[Grantman]

I ran some recoil calculations with a 550 grain conical at 1500fps in a 9 pound rifle. 53 pounds-can I say detached retina? Given the above, your suggestion of a 1/70 twist GM barrel makes sense. How much does your rifle weigh?

 

[roundball]

I ran some recoil calculations with a 550 grain conical at 1500fps in a 9 pound rifle. 53 pounds-can I say detached retina? Given the above, your suggestion of a 1/70 twist GM barrel makes sense. How much does your rifle weigh?

Yeah, that size conical is simply not necessary for whitetails...nor is the expense, the recoil, etc...and a .570" diameter x 279grn lead ball will take most anything on the NA continent too.

I also think the 4" longer sight plane of the 33" GM barrel over the TC 29" barrel is helpful for sighting accuracy.

I happen to use 3/8" solid brass ramrods so that adds at least an extra pound to the rifle's weight putting them around 10-10.5 lbs...regular ramrods would probably drop that back to 8.5-9.0 lbs.

 

[Grantman]

My old Lyman book shows 180 grains of FFg Goex, behind a 260 grain ball. This load has a MV of 1737 and pressure (LUP) of 9200. That is a lot of powder, but the pressure is extemely low.

 

[roundball]

My old Lyman book shows 180 grains of FFg Goex, behind a 260 grain ball. This load has a MV of 1737 and pressure (LUP) of 9200. That is a lot of powder, but the pressure is extemely low.

I am no authority on this subject but I think that 70's vintage Lyman manual may have some results posted from powders back in the 60's early 70's that is no longer available today...OR...was used in barrels assumed to have 1+1/8" breeches instead of only 1" breeches, dunno...but I personally wouldn't use that much powder...and every deer I've shot with my .58cal using only 100grns 2F have been complete passthroughs anyway.

Also, TCs load data charts show 120grns 2F as the max for the .58cal PRB, and in reality that might really mean 130, 140 would be of no consequence either, but 180grns is an awful, auful lot of powder. :hmm:

 

[paulvallandigham]

I agree with Roundball's observations. For yucks, I checked my table of the Charles Davenport formula for deterimining the maximum powder charge that can be fired in that caliber(.58), with a 32 inch barrel( common length for a T/C Hawken rifle.) The forumla shows 97 grains, so Roundball's Load of 100 grains is right at the maximum that will burn efficiently in that barrel. Hodgdon's reloading manual does not have velocities for 100 grains of powder, and stops at 70 grains for about 1054 fps. I suspect that the authors were using one of those import .58 " Zuave " rifles, that are not quite as strongly built as Roundball's T/C rifle is. Even 100 grains is a lot of powder, and as he indicates, he gets complete pass-throughs with that heavy ball on deer. Why would you want to put more powder in the barrel? That heavy ball is not going to shoot that much flatter even with 40 or 80 more grains of powder, because of its lousy Ballistics Coefficient.(.67)Its sectional density of .123 reflects its large diameter, and weight. According to some limited data I have, if you can get that ball leaving the barrel at 1600 fps. and zero the load at 100 yds, it is 2.6 inches high at 60 yards for its " mid-range " trajectory. I don't have any information on the powder charge or barrel length needed to get a .58 cal. RB going 1600 fps. at the Muzzle. I am glad its his shoulder behind the gun, tho'. :thumbsup: