.58 Chronographed Velocity's

[wtilenw]

Went shooting this morning and took the Chrony. I just tested 100gr. and 110gr. KIK 2F with .570 ball weighing 283 grains, pillow tick patch and Stumpy's moose milk "Semi-Dry" lube technique.
100 grains yielded 1530 fps.
110 grains yielded 1600 fps.
Hope this info is helpful, by the way, if you missed my last post, this was from a Green Mountain 1-70" twist IBS percussion barrel with CCI standars percussion caps.
Idaho PRB

 

[Le Grand]

Idaho PRB, Thanks for the follow-up. That is good info to know. Le Grand

 

[roundball]

Went shooting this morning and took the Chrony. I just tested 100gr. and 110gr. KIK 2F with .570 ball weighing 283 grains, pillow tick patch and Stumpy's moose milk "Semi-Dry" lube technique.
100 grains yielded 1530 fps.
110 grains yielded 1600 fps.
Hope this info is helpful, by the way, if you missed my last post, this was from a Green Mountain 1-70" twist IBS percussion barrel with CCI standars percussion caps.
Idaho PRB

Thanks for the info...curious to know how far in front of the muzzle did you position your screens?

 

[rebel727]

How does KIK compare to real bp?

 

[Rebel]

KIK is Real BP. Just a different brand.

 

[rebel727]

Ok cool. Thanks. Never seen it anywhere.

 

[Rebel]

I have never been able to find it locally to try so can't say for sure how it performs, but from what i have heard most people that use it like it as well as Goex.

 

[wtilenw]

[/quote]
Thanks for the info...curious to know how far in front of the muzzle did you position your screens?[/quote]

Roundball,
About 3 feet in front of muzzle. I have the protective covers for the chrony so the residue from the powder is easily cleaned off the face of the unit. I weight the tripod with a 25 lb. bag of shot so the blast doesn't knock it over.
Idaho PRB

 

[BS]

If you move them out to about 20', they will stay much cleaner. :grin:

At close range, I also get some false readings from the BLAST! :shocked2:

Not sure if it is the smoke and sparks or the patch.....or the concussion.

and.......Thanks for the Info!

:applause:

 

[roundball]

Thanks for the info...curious to know how far in front of the muzzle did you position your screens?

Roundball,
About 3 feet in front of muzzle. I have the protective covers for the chrony so the residue from the powder is easily cleaned off the face of the unit. I weight the tripod with a 25 lb. bag of shot so the blast doesn't knock it over.
Idaho PRB

Great, thanks

 

[Deadeye]

I usually put my screens from 12 to 15 ft. otherwise the blast will sometime trigger the first screen before the ball gets there. Re the .58. I recently chronographed a .58, 32" x 1" Sharon barreled Hawken, .015 spit patch, RB and a hunting load of 200 grs. Goex 3F at 2173 fps. He's been using that load for about 30 yrs.
Many Elk have fell to that load.

 

[roundball]

I usually put my screens from 12 to 15 ft. otherwise the blast will sometime trigger the first screen before the ball gets there. Re the .58. I recently chronographed a .58, 32" x 1" Sharon barreled Hawken, .015 spit patch, RB and a hunting load of 200 grs. Goex 3F at 2173 fps. He's been using that load for about 30 yrs.
Many Elk have fell to that load.

200grns of 3F :shocked2:
OK...let's dispense with any questions about the barrel surviving...let me just ask how could a patch possibly survive that?

And are 1" x 32" Sharon barrels made from something really unique, compared to say a Green Mountain steel barrel?

 

[fatboy]

Wow that's a pretty stout load in that !! I cant belive with a short barrel that you would want use such a load IMO he must feel confident in it

 

[faw3]

The people that make barrels have to worry about some fool really going ape if they told you how much they will really take, a 58 with 3f 200grs Id want to ck that all is getting used in a 32"er. And the screens are about right at 15' my 1 time with a 58 cal 150 gr load was above 1900 in a 40" battel I think Id have to dig back in notes way back, point being your shooting a lot of powder to gain a extra 100 to 150 fps. I know 2 barrel makers very well and both have told me, "you know to seat the ball tight so put in what you want" they know Ive gone over 200 many times the last 20 years. Fred :hatsoff: But I do not recomend it for anybody else, now Im safe. :nono:

 

[Deadeye]

I've also shot that gun and load many times, it is very accurate at 200 yds. 5 -6". Not an overload. Look in Lymans book, they show a 200 gr. charge of 3F in a .50 cal. A friend just tested a cheap Traditions .50 cal 15/16" barrel with 350 gr. 2F and 1221 grs of bullet (3 407 gr. conicals.) Came thru perfectly. I posted this in answer to someones question about chronographing, not recommending loads or to argue with someone who obviously knows little about the strentghs of muzzleloaders.

 

[roundball]

I posted this in answer to someones question about chronographing, not recommending loads or to argue with someone who obviously knows little about the strentghs of muzzleloaders.

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If that's the best you got, you fell way short...
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[Zonie]

"...Not an overload. Look in Lymans book, they show a 200 gr. charge of 3F in a .50 cal..."

Must be an old Lyman book.
My Lyman book shows a maximum load for the .50 caliber rifle shooting a roundball as being 120 grains of FFFg. Same 120 grains for the FFg.

In fact, the maximum load given for a .54 caliber barrel is 120 grains of powder. Only when I look at the .58 caliber does the maximum load exceed 120 grains and then it is only upped to 140 grains.

 

[faw3]

Again... your shooting a lot of powder to gain a extra 100 to 150 fps. I belive thats why the loads are what they show as well as getting sueeeeed

 

[rebel727]

My .50 cal. Cabela's Hawken blows the hammer back to half cock with 110 grs. I don't like that so I don't go over 100 with it. I go up to 110 for a hunting load with my .58 Enfield but that's a thin barrel. Talk about knocking a deer on his butt tho.

 

[faw3]

With what kind of bullet wt??? It sure shouldnt be doing that! I use the same rifle but not from them and have no problem with the hammer comeing back up with 120? Fred :hatsoff: