58 Remington maker?

[Leatherbark]

I picked up a 58 Remington at a variety shop. It is not an Uberti or a Pietta and I know it is not a Santa Barbara as it says "Made in Italy".

I do believe I have an Armi San Paulo (Euroarms) and maybe and Armi San Marco. The Serial Number starts with an "E" and is on the frame at the bottom of the grip and the serial number is also on the cylinder. It has a 1996 date code. It has the usual proof marks i.e PN with a star over it and a shield with maybe crossed rifles inside it with maybe a crown over top of the shield. It has these proof marks on the underside of the barrel up at the front directly in front of the loading lever and also on the frame directly in front of the brass trigger guard on the bottom side.

The front sight is dovetailed and a high one. The loading lever keeper latch is dovetailed.

The only other marks are on a barrel flat (one of the angled flats that says "SM Black Powder Only 44 cal Made in Italy"

The frame is "Plum" colored. This weapon is unfired and the screws are not buggered.

I thought it might be an Armi San Marco being that it where it says SM Black Powder Only on the barrel.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Bob

 

[hawkeye2]

Euroarms are easy to identify as there are no exposed threads at the rear of the barrel. The frame lacks the crescent cuts of the 58 Remington which expose the threads. The Euroarms frame is a replica of an earlier Remington and to my knowledge is the only replica with this feature.

My Euroarms has the serial number on the bottom of the grip with no prefix, DGG in a circle logo under the barre, dovetailed sight & loading lever latch, Armi San Palo faintly on top of the barrel.

 

[Leatherbark]

This one definitely has the threads exposed. ASM I guess it is.

Thanks

Bob

 

[CaptainKirk]

The "SM" does in fact indicate Armi San Marco

 

[George T.]

I wonder if the front sight was added. The frame color sound like a Navy Arms . Sounds like a good find.

Geo. T.

 

[Leatherbark]

I wonder if the front sight was added. The frame color sound like a Navy Arms . Sounds like a good find.

Geo. T.

The front sight looks original. This is my first Armi San Marco Remington. Do they normally have a stud front sight instead of a dovetailed one? Plus the hammer thumb piece is checkered. I do believe the hand is too long. After the cylinder bolt drops in it's notch it is rather hard to pull the hammer on back to the full cock notch but easy with the cylinder out. I will have to gather some pictures.

Bob

 

[mjulihn]

The front sight looks original. This is my first Armi San Marco Remington. Do they normally have a stud front sight instead of a dovetailed one? Plus the hammer thumb piece is checkered. I do believe the hand is too long. After the cylinder bolt drops in it's notch it is rather hard to pull the hammer on back to the full cock notch but easy with the cylinder out. I will have to gather some pictures.

Bob

Bob,
To answer you questions, Uberti is the only replica 1858 I am aware of that has a dovetailed front sight. If the hammer cocks easily with the cylinder removed, check to make sure the cylinder turns freely on the arbor at half-cock. The arbor on an 1858 is notorious for becoming fouled, resulting in the difficulty you describe. If it turns easily, your action could be out of time.

 

[hawkeye2]

Euroarms, also known as EOA and Armi San Palo has a dovetail front sight though the blade is smaller than Uberti.

 

[Leatherbark]

The front sight looks original. This is my first Armi San Marco Remington. Do they normally have a stud front sight instead of a dovetailed one? Plus the hammer thumb piece is checkered. I do believe the hand is too long. After the cylinder bolt drops in it's notch it is rather hard to pull the hammer on back to the full cock notch but easy with the cylinder out. I will have to gather some pictures.

Bob

Bob,
To answer you questions, Uberti is the only replica 1858 I am aware of that has a dovetailed front sight. If the hammer cocks easily with the cylinder removed, check to make sure the cylinder turns freely on the arbor at half-cock. The arbor on an 1858 is notorious for becoming fouled, resulting in the difficulty you describe. If it turns easily, your action could be out of time.

The revolver has never been fired so she's definitely not fouled. I've had Uberti's and Piettas. The Pietta shooters model also has a windage adjustable front sight unlike the standard model with it's fuse welded front sight. The hand is definitely too long on this revolver as after the bolt locks the cylinder shut you can see the cylinder want to slightly keep turning as the trigger falls into the full cock notch. Cant wait to tune this thing and shoot it as soon as the weather hits above the teens.

Bob

 

[CaptainKirk]

+1 on this. I have two SP's that are dovetailed.

 

[B. Miller]

My pietta deluxe, same as the DGW Shooters, has a dovetailed front sight.

 

[Rick Son]

Had one like that,tough spring,had a smith slick it up,popped a cap every time alot easier.It was a stainless steel.Traded it

 

[BowerR64]

I wonder if the front sight was added. The frame color sound like a Navy Arms . Sounds like a good find.

Geo. T.

The front sight looks original. This is my first Armi San Marco Remington. Do they normally have a stud front sight instead of a dovetailed one? Plus the hammer thumb piece is checkered. I do believe the hand is too long. After the cylinder bolt drops in it's notch it is rather hard to pull the hammer on back to the full cock notch but easy with the cylinder out. I will have to gather some pictures.

Bob

Ive had 2 with hand problems, on one the hand was to long so i couldnt fully cock it because the bolt locked the cylinder so it wouldnt turn any further yet i couldnt bring the hammer back far enough. (worked fine with the cylinder out like you have found)

The other the hand was to wide and the hammer wouldnt fully fall. It was weird i thought the hammer was not shaped right so i put the stock hand back in and the hammer then dropped fully. The hand on this one is about as wide as it is thick. Real skinny thing

 

[Shotgun62]

Hello everybody. I have an Rmenigton( 36 cal.)made by SanPaolo army. Is a nice gun and work very well. I am new on this forum and i want to know more about muzzle loaders.
By the way i am from Romania

 

[Many Klatch]

Welcome. I have an Armi San Palo Remington that works well.

Many Klatch