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bigbore442001

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I know some people here think I went off of the deep end, so to speak but I did have an idea.

Several years ago I was at a friend's gun shop where he had an antique muzzleloading single shot shotgun. It was a percussion ignition in 6 guage. Someone did buy it but I thought that it would be relatively useless. But I have been thinking a little.

From a federal law perspective,the largest guage you can use for waterfowl is a 10 guage. I did some reading and discovered that some states do not have a limit on guage size for other game such as turkey. I seem to recall that the best shot pattern ever shot is with a 6 guage and no 6 shot. I though about something like this for wild turkey. I know some will think it is overkill but at long range I am not sure.

Anyone here ever shoot such a large bore?
 
A friend built his own LH 8 gauge Percussion, single barrel shotgun, and I have fired it. NO 6 gauge guns, yet. Sorry.

Large bore guns have some advantages, and some disadvantages. You have to weigh both, and make your own decision. Weight of these cannons is usually the biggest disadvantage. The Cost of all the powder and shot they use is another. ( They do have large appetites!) The bigger they are, the less " Bang for your Buck" you get. And limits imposed by both State and Federal Hunting regulations on the kind of game that can be hunted is NO SMALL CONCERN.

Unless you are going to choke such a gun, you are only shooting a Bigger Cylinder Bore gun. The pellets are going to slow down at the same distance from the barrel as pellets fired from a 10 gauge. A Bigger Bore shotgun does NOT GIVE you longer range. It does give you a lot more shot in your pattern at 30 yards, however. The question is always, Is this added shot in the pattern necessary? BP shotguns, no matter the gauge, are not going to produce the same velocities as modern smokeless powder shotguns do, and simply cannot be expected to take birds out at longer ranges, UNLESS they are choked. But, even with a choked BP shotgun, your range is still going to be limited by the4 velocity and shot size.

There are modern shotguns with specialized choke tubes that can produce killing patterns out past 60 yards! The original Market hunters used large bore, BP shotguns, but they were taking raking shots at flocks of birds sitting on the water, in order to maximize the birds hit out to 50 yards. You can't do that today and stay out of jail very long.

Big, heavy guns work fine for pass shooting, but are the not first choice when hunting upland game. If you are in a fixed blind, or pit, having a heavy gun to lift and point is not that much work. In an upland field, where, hopefully, you are hunting over great dogs, who both locate and then point and retrieve the birds you shoot, the action can be very fast, and a heavy gun is just hard to move.

Forget hunting doves- even if its pass shooting. Doves can turn on a dime, and give you back 9 cents in change. And, Doves often do just that, for the heck of it. All the camo in the world is simply not going to make the doves fly straight into your gun. Dove hunting puts the humility back into the wing shooting sports. No one expects to NOT MISS a dove or two during a hunt.

My best friend, Bruce Shurts, did take up a challenge from another friend to use his .410 exclusively one season to shoot dove. He waited for shots inside 20 yds, and killed over 60 dove straight, over several days of shooting, before he missed. I hunted with him one of those days, and watching him pass on shots, and only take those that were high percentage kill shots( he would wait for the dove to do a "Dippy-Doo", and shoot it when it came back up to its prior line of travel), was a study in shooter discipline.

If you are not going to hunt waterfowl, using non-toxic shot, the Cost of such a cannon( 6 gauge) becomes questionable, too. What do you do with it once your buy it? Many clubs restrict the size of the bore a shotgun can be used to shoot clay targets at the club. If you can't hunt Waterfowl, and you can't shoot clay target matches at the local club, What do you do with it?

And, don't kid yourself. While BP tends to shove your shoulder, rather than KICK it like Smokeless powers do, these big guns, with large powder charges, and larger loads of shot do KICK. Yes, you can load such a cannon down, and shooting 12 gauge loads in an 8 gauge gun( and presumably a 6 ga. gun) provides a very light shove to the shoulder- much better(softer) than shooting the same load in a lighter, 12 gauge gun. But, ask yourself: If you are going to shoot light loads, then why not simply buy a 12 or 10 gauge gun( You can also down load these guns to shoot 28, 20, and 16 gauge loads)?

I was glad to shoot my friend's 8 gauge, and fired it on more than one occasion-- just to be able to know what it was like to hold and fire such a gun. But, I don't want one.

May I suggest to you that you find someone with a 10 gauge shotgun who will let you shoot it several times. The hands-on experience will help you decide just how badly you "want" that 6 gauge.

Best wishes. :hatsoff:
 
I shot several original 8 gauge doubles in my youth, including as I recall two that were muzzleloaders, and handled more. I wasn't impressed with their handling, and neither was the owner. They were probably fine for resting across the bow of a scull boat, but the extra weight compared to a 10 gauge wasn't well invested in extra range or pattern. His antique 10's and all contemporary 10's I've shot handled much better as "walk around" hunting guns. And 8 likely would be just fine for turkeys from a blind, but I wouldn't be tempted to use any I have handled for waterfowl. I was in high school while shooting them, but big and strong so weight wasn't really a hinderence. Balance stunk though.
 
Large bored guns don't have to be big or clunky. I have handled a 5 bore flint gun that weighed 9 lbs.
I have shot with several fellows at Friendship's sporting clays range that shot 6 bores. They do quite well with them.
 
Was that a single barrel Mike? It seems like the bigger the bore the more I like it, but I have been prejudiced away from the really big stuff by those early double barrel experiences. The guns were all heavy and poorly balanced, and the owner liked them even less. A single weighing only 9 pounds would be a horse of a different color.
 
BrownBear said:
Was that a single barrel Mike? It seems like the bigger the bore the more I like it, but I have been prejudiced away from the really big stuff by those early double barrel experiences. The guns were all heavy and poorly balanced, and the owner liked them even less. A single weighing only 9 pounds would be a horse of a different color.
English by Robbins. About mid 1780's. Around 38" barrel.
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That makes sense. The English stock design suits my face with heavy recoil, and that one looks like it would balance well to boot. Anyone making such thin walled barrels these days, or are they completely lawyered up?
 
Ed Rayle would make one. This one has a breech around 1 5/16" to 1 3/8" or so and makes a pretty rapid taper for the first 5" or 6" .
 
Man I love those half-stock fowlers, I wonder what the status of dunlap's kits are.
 
The last time I saw the kits was late October in Winchester. Wayne said all was complete except for side plate. I imagine they are now ready to roll. I would get the 10 bore over the 12 as they use the same outside profile. Rice is making the barrels.

It's based off of that Robins gun that Mike Brooks posted pics of above. I have handled that piece and it is sweet.
 
Yeah, I would definetly go with the 10ga. I checked the site and it's not on there I'll have to call him and see where he's at. I spoke with him about it last year and he seemed really excited about it, it's nice to talk with someone who seems so enthusiastic about an actual product and not so much the profit.
 
Based only on what I have read, it seems to be the opinion of the writers that a larger bore gives more even, uniform patterns of shot than a smaller bore shooting the same ammount of shot. These folks also believe that the shot pattern tends to arrive at the target in a less stretched-out bunch with the larger bores in this situation, so flying birds are hit "harder" without them being able to fly out of the tail end of the shot swarm. Now with turkey or other game that is not moving so fast, then you don't need to worry about the shot bunch being stretched out in the air as all the shot bunch will pass through the target anyway. So my conclusion from this is that for flying birds the bigger the gauge the better (if you can carry the gun), but for turkeys you probably can get equal results with smaller gauges loaded up heavier. :hmm:
 
Golfswithwolves said:
Based only on what I have read, it seems to be the opinion of the writers that a larger bore gives more even, uniform patterns of shot than a smaller bore shooting the same ammount of shot. These folks also believe that the shot pattern tends to arrive at the target in a less stretched-out bunch with the larger bores in this situation, so flying birds are hit "harder" without them being able to fly out of the tail end of the shot swarm. Now with turkey or other game that is not moving so fast, then you don't need to worry about the shot bunch being stretched out in the air as all the shot bunch will pass through the target anyway. So my conclusion from this is that for flying birds the bigger the gauge the better (if you can carry the gun), but for turkeys you probably can get equal results with smaller gauges loaded up heavier. :hmm:
I agree. :thumbsup:
 
You get less barrel scrub on the shorter shot column in a larger bore, less deformed flyers. Thats why my .28 will out pattern my .410 given the same weight of shot. I bet that nine pound five bore would be a real killer over some decoys.
 
On both ends and don't get caught using it unless you like spending time in Federal court, heavy fines, and possible loss of the gun and your vehicles.
 
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