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My 54cal Lyman Trade rifle likes 80-90 grns 2f Goex .530 ball and .018 ticking patch. My son killed his first elk this year with the 90 grn load. I used a 75 yard sight in for this gun as well. Have fun with yours.
 
But that ol' ball do expand. Soft lead ball expands at very low velocity and everyone I've ever recovered was pretty flat. Correct, you don't need it like you do with a modern; but that lil' ol' fat feller do tend towards flat. :grin:
 
Huntin_Dawg1215 said:
Nice Deer and nice rifle. Was that one taken this year. That load should get the job as you have proven.

This was my first deer ever in 2006 taken with my first BP rifle ever.
 
It's not intended to be silly. If the ball expends all of it's energy in the deer then the amount of expansion may not matter.

However just as in modern rifles any expansion transmits energy into the critter. Any energy that leaves the animal as in a ball exiting is energy wasted however it will give an additional hole for blood to exit.

The post above about increasing the load until accuracy suffers is spot on. I might add that if you reach your max recoil comfort that is your personal stopping point. It is my opinion that the animal shot deserves to die as quickly as possiable.

Being a bow hunter a 65 yard shot seems like a long one to me. I have had deer shot with modern rifles go a long ways with their lungs turned to mush. Maybe I have been lucky but I have never lost a deer shot with a muzzle loader and the longest run after being shot was around 65 yards.

True the ball diameter is larger than most center fires as loaded but the available energy is much less. It's not the whole story but a good point anyway!

My 2 Cents Geo. T.
 
Mooshkat said:
I just bought a 54cal Trade rifle, used but in new condition, plan on shooting it Friday. My plan is 70FFF, 530 ball and .018 pillow ticking.
I would start with 55 grains of 2f and work up an accurate load from there, shooting three times then increasing the powder charge by 5 grain increments until your groups get nice and tight. FWIW-my .54 Trade Rifle barrel does it's best with 2f and just does not shoot good groups with any charge of 3f. All rifles will differ somewhat and some will be the opposite, some there won't be any difference.
 
Actually, at BP round ball speeds energy dump is a moot point as you are not going to get hydrostatic shock. It's not the energy of the bp round that completes the task, it's the actual wound path.

If two identical projectiles go through a deer in identical locations, they both use the same amount of kenetic energy to accomplish the task, and the fact that one might have entered slower so has a residual kenetic energy upon exit of 50 ftlbs. while a faster projectile has residual kenetic upon exit energy of 150 ftlbs is moot. You might be wasting powder, but the energy required to force the projectiles through is the same, all other factors being equal.

Now depending on the animal composition, the impact path and projectile composition, plus velocity at impact... projectile deformation may increase friction as well as increase the damage causing surface area..., which may or may not require more energy to accomplish the work.

However, as Matt85 mentioned...., at a certain point, the difference between a .440 caliber round ball that collapses both lungs on a deer in .5 seconds vs. a .610 round ball that would do so on the same deer in .15 seconds ..., is moot. The deer is just as dead.

In fact there are those who argue that one does not want a "hot" load so that deformation is reduced, and maximum penetration is obtained, for it's not the enegy consumed before the projectile stops or exits, but what the projectile reaches and damages before it stops or exits. This is also the argument for using round ball made from very hard alloy.

LD
 
Dave, I'm glad you addressed that line of thought. I'm also not convinced this "energy" thing means squat. Yes, it's the damage the prb does that kills and not some nebulous energy figure.

Reminds me of the centerfire "dwell time" theory of a few decades ago. Want dwell time? Okay then surgically implant that projectile inside the deer and see how long it takes to kill him. Same thing with the energy theory. Energy doesn't kill; it only puts the ball where it NEEDS to be in order to kill. And furthermore, it's the internal disruption that drops them and not the mysterious "energy" floating around out there.
 
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