777 powder

[Blake]

Hi everyone I am new here just wanted find out if anyone used 777 powder and what there thoughs on it.Blake

 

[lonehunter]

some swear by it, others swear at it.Its personal choice I have used it for a long time in my modern smokepole, no problems!! others have had problems with it, I have seen it first hand! inconsistent from shot to shot, dont know why, but i have gone through 3-4 cans of it with no problems. While not recomended for a flintlock it should work fine in anything else. I personally think the real stuff is better but you never know unless you give it a try :grin: It dont matter what you feed it as long as your making smoke and having fun. By the way sorry to be rude :redface: WELCOME to the forum :hatsoff: Lots of good info. here, you can learn all you want to know and these fellas will bend over backwards to help you out.good luck, and keep that pole smokin :thumbsup:

 

[jtmattison]

Hard to ignite. Leaves a crud ring like concrete. Belongs in modern type front loaders, not sidelocks.

HD

 

[smokehouseman]

I use it exclusively in my percussion gun and any troubles I've had with ignition have in my situation been directly attributable to nipple problems. Where I live we are unable to purchase real black powder, but if we could I would no doubt go with the real stuff.

 

[grizzy adams]

I use 777 in my caplocks and had no problems at all , no crude ring etc . The only thing is you reduce your load by 20% like if you shoot 90 grains wiff black or pyrodex , wiff 777 it would be 70 grains . I shot a few cans of 777 and I like it , its easy to clean up . I coundnt see any differce in accurcy.

 

[Blake]

Thanks everyone

 

[Little Wattsy]

Hi everyone I am new here just wanted find out if anyone used 777 powder and what there thoughs on it.Blake

Much prefer Pyrodex and its cheaper

 

[Johnny Tremain]

We sneak into Orygun and smuggle in real black powder.

Can say what the fake stuff does.

We are having to much fun being criminals

 

[renovato]

I've shot a few cans of it. It would hangfire a lot with standard caps and I didn't have any magnums to try it with. Gave ok results, but black powder gave better groups than any of the loads I tried with 777. It did give me fits with cleaning though. It would build a crud ring in the breech that would take endless scrubbing to clean out.

I had better luck with it in my pistols and revolvers, but it still had bad crud ring problems.

 

[Doe]

I use 777 in my caplocks and had no problems at all , no crude ring etc . The only thing is you reduce your load by 20% like if you shoot 90 grains wiff black or pyrodex , wiff 777 it would be 70 grains . I shot a few cans of 777 and I like it , its easy to clean up . I coundnt see any differce in accurcy.

What grizzy said i have a can my self its' not that bad. I would use it too if i couldn't buy real black good stuff :thumbsup: :thumbsup: .

 

[Zonie]

777 does cost a lot per pound. Even figuring one can reduce the powder load 15-20 percent as compared with black powder doesn't make it inexpensive.

The last time I priced 777 they wanted around $26 per pound. Pyrodex was selling for around $17 per pound at the same time.
That makes that 777 about 53 percent more expensive than the Pyrodex and even if a person can reduce the powder charge 20 percent it still ends up with the 777 costing 33 percent more.

I suppose if a person wanted to get the maximum velocity out of a fixed chamber gun like a revolver it might be worth the extra money but most revolvers shoot best with reduced powder loads anyway so I don't see the point in spending the extra money.

I guess that is why I use Pyrodex in many of my Percussion guns.

As most folks know, none of the synthetic powders work very well in a Flintlock.
If one wants to use them there they must first drop a 10-15 grain "starter" load of real black powder down the barrel before loading the synthetic powder and then prime the pan with the real black powder.

If the question deals with the pellet loads, none of them work well in sidelock guns and they cost more than the loose 777.

 

[R.M.]

The only place I use it is in my C&B guns. Here, I like it. I have none of the reported problems that others have. I particularly like how clean it is. I know others have had good results from Pyrodex, but I didn't, but that's just me. I also just use regular Remington caps, with no hang-fires.

 

[William O.]

I've used T7 for years, never had a problem with it but have also found that it works better for cartridge loads, no crud ring though. Goex just gives me better groups out of my sidelock.

 

[shdwlkr]

Last weekend my club was running a muzzleloading training for the scouts must have been over 250 kids and I don't know how many adults also and we where using 777. The caplock I was using was fired over a hundred times and other then having to be cleaned a few times it all worked great. We did have some of the rifles that needed a real good cleaning after being fired so much but we only had one towards the end of the day we had to set aside because it quit working but we had maybe 6 that all where fired over 100 times and all with 777. We where shooting light loads of 30 grains but still to keep firing after shooting that much sure impressed me. All rifles where 50 caliber.
As a side note next year they want us to do it for over 350 kids and maybe more. So we will need more rifles and a lot more of powder, balls ,patching and cleaning patches but it is so much fun to watch a kid who has never fired anything before hit the target and not once but all three times they went up to the firing line. One kid even told his dad that he wanted his own muzzle loader and dad said he had bought him one and it was home waiting for him. Another kid's dad told him that he was going to be elk hunting with one this fall and the kid asked if he shoot just one time with an elk load and we did let him and the smile on his face was well worth the time it took to let him shoot. We go out of our way as much as we can to let the kids enjoy the time they spend with us. The scout troops go out of their way to make sure we are going to offer the training to the troops. Sunday is a free shoot day that I missed this year but I know the kids have a blast as several that were there last year asked on Saturday if the club was going to do it again this year and was a very loud yes from the club that yes they would do it.

 

[Poor Private]

I use trip7 in all my handguns. It seems to noit gum up as quick as BP. I use BP in my 53 Enfield, and 63 Remington(zouve).

 

[Swampman]

It works just fine in caplocks. No problems!

 

[Rat Trapper]

I use Triple Seven 2F in both my 50 & 54 cal TC Hawkens. I use hot shot nipples and CCI #11 mag caps. I have no problems with misfires or hang fires. Clean up is quick and easy. Have not noticed any crude ring in my side locks. In the modern rifles you do get a crude ring unless you use the special primers made to reduce it. I can not say anything about rifles other than TC Hawkens, but in my Tc rifles accuracy is real good. TC advised me that I could shoot 100 grains in the 50 cal and 120 grains in the 54 cal. The 50 is a real tack driver with 90 grains of 777 2F and the Hornady great plains 385 grain HP. The 54 also likes the great plains bullets, but in 390 gr HP with 120 gr. Of course there are felt wads over powder. I currently have a bunch of TC 4N1 loaders that only hold 100 gr in 54 cal. This summer I plan to try some loads with the 100 gr in hopes that I can use the 4N1 loaders in 54 cal. Just may be the lighter loading may shoot even better.

 

[paulvallandigham]

The Magnum caps are made to ignite your chosen powder. There should be no ignition problems using them. :hmm: :thumbsup: