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Skychief

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I have read here somewhere that the longer shot column in a .62/20 gauge versus the same load in a 12 gauge is conducive to better (denser) patterns. This assumes all else is equal. Does the longer shot column in the smaller gauge lead to better patterns in your experience/opinion? I ask this because it seems to me that I have noticed denser patterns in the 20 gauges vs. the 12 gauges when charged with equal charges of shot. Can anyone please give any insight? Thanks in advance! Skychief.
 
Skychief said:
I have read here somewhere that the longer shot column in a .62/20 gauge versus the same load in a 12 gauge is conducive to better (denser) patterns. This assumes all else is equal. Does the longer shot column in the smaller gauge lead to better patterns in your experience/opinion? I ask this because it seems to me that I have noticed denser patterns in the 20 gauges vs. the 12 gauges when charged with equal charges of shot. Can anyone please give any insight? Thanks in advance! Skychief.

I'm no authority on the subject but my understanding and experience is this.
In modern shotguns, a larger shot charge in any gauge makes a pattern more dense by increasing the number of pellets in the shot charge. Same thing holds true of muzzleloading smoothbores.

A larger shot charge in a smaller gauge will also tend to produce a longer shot string, and while not necessarily a benefit for flying targets, its a characteristic that benefits going after small stationery targets like turkey head/neck shots.

All my advice is free of course... :wink:
 
denser patterns = more shot/smaller pellet or less pressure from a softer charge not blowing your pattern apart. IE reduced loads.

used to shoot a lot of competitive trap, where the standard legal load was 1 1/8oz shot and a 1200fps max rule. A lot of usshooters figured out that an ounce broke targets just as good. it was all about the pressure.
on my smoothbore TG, I will will load with about 140gr measured volume of#9shot and about 60gr 2F for paper score. the overall shot core/pattern is pretty tight with the majority of pellets well within the 30inch ring.

food for thought.
 
brett sr said:
denser patterns = more shot/smaller pellet or less pressure from a softer charge not blowing your pattern apart. IE reduced loads.

used to shoot a lot of competitive trap, where the standard legal load was 1 1/8oz shot and a 1200fps max rule. A lot of usshooters figured out that an ounce broke targets just as good. it was all about the pressure.
on my smoothbore TG, I will will load with about 140gr measured volume of#9shot and about 60gr 2F for paper score. the overall shot core/pattern is pretty tight with the majority of pellets well within the 30inch ring.

food for thought.

My 120grns powder measure setting gives 1+5/8oz charge of shot.
By 140grns "measured volume" do you mean a volumetric measure (like a powder measure) and if so wouldn't that be 1+7/8oz of shot?
 
That would be contrary to general experience. A given load in a 12 gauge will generally pattern better than the same load in a 20 gauge because the longer shot column of the 20 leads to more pellets squashed and deformed. That is why 20 gauge loads are lighter than 12 gauge loads. In modern guns I've found that the 20 gauge 3" magnum is a waste, actually putting fewer pellets into the kill zone than does the standard 2 3/4" load. Of course, every gun is a rule unto itself, but generally speaking I would expect any given load of shot to pattern better from a 12 than from a 20. An extreme example would be the .410, with their very long shot column they pattern so poorly that the standard pattern range for a .410 is 25 yards versus the 40 yard standard for all other shotguns.
 
There are a couple of problems with trying to generalize about the effect of bore diameter on patterns. Roundball has note one of them. He is correct. Its easy to mistake a " good pattern " when shooting at a stationary pattern board target from a standing or bench rest. Those patterns are fine for shooting STATIONARY targets.

The problem that affects flying targets is the fact that the smaller bore ( 20 ga.) is going to Require the same amount of shot to occupy a longer area of the barrel, which means that more pellets in the load of shot are rubbing against the bore of the shotgun barrel. When the gun is fired, those pellets all rub against the barrel going out the barrel, leaving flat spots on the pellets, and lead deposits in the barrel.

The flat spots on the pellets cause these pellets to slow down quickly, and fall out of the pattern, usually within the first 20 yards. The smaller the gauge, or bore diameter, the more shot is lost from the measured shot load, in that first 20 yards.

The lead deposits also adversely affect pattern performance, because they act like speed bumps on a roadway to the next shot load fired out the barrel. Worse, they cause even more lead to be deposited in the barrel making more and higher speed bumps. This makes for more and more ragged shaped patterns, and can even change the POI for the entire pattern when enough lead deposits build up in the barrel.

In general, then, you would be better off using a 20 gauge load in a large bore shotgun, say a 12 gauge, and achieve a better pattern for flying targets, than shooting that same load of shot in your 20 gauge.

For stationary targets, you are interested in the number of pellets you can put in the core area of the pattern. You don't care about the fringe, or edges of the patterns. On Moving targets, you want an even, round pattern , to maximize your chance to hit a bird flying through the air.

No bird will teach you faster this important consideration than the morning dove, which literally can turn on a dime, and give you back 9 cents in change! And doves have an uncanny ability of changing direction just as you are slapping that trigger! That is why we use open choked guns( cylinder bore Muzzleloaders are great) at relatively short ranges,with shot charges consisting of very small shot ( #8 or even #9) so that we can fill the air with lots of pellets to have a better chance to hit the bird before he dives under our shot.

So, if you are using a shotgun to hunt deer, or turkeys, only, then use that 20 gauge gun with the longer shot column to concentrate more shot in the core area of the pattern. If, on the other hand, you are looking for a smoothbore to shoot winged game, choose the larger gauges, but shoot lighter charges of shot when hunting smaller birds. A 12 gauge, shooting a 28 gauge load of shot( 5/8 oz.)for instance, will actually throw a better SHAPED pattern, with more pellets in the pattern, than if you shot that same load from a 28 gauge smoothbore.

Can you improve the pellet count in your 20 gauge patterns? Yes-- By using shot cups-- paper, or plastic-- and by lubing the bore of the shotgun in front of the load, so that the lead pellets slide over the bore rather than rub against bare steel.

Will those changes also improve the shape of my patterns using that 20 gauge? Yes, but the same load in a larger bore shotgun will usually still do better.
 
I switched to a 20 ga. turkey gun a few years ago and did quite a bit of pattern testing of 20 ga and 12 ga shells. Out of curiosity, I also tested some regular upland loads. I found when shooting the same load out of the same choke in both gauges, the patterns were almost identical. This held true with everything from 7/8 oz. loads to 1 1/8 oz. loads. The 20's pattern fell off quite a bit at 1 1/4 ounce. The 20 ga turkey loads (Hevi-Shot) did much better than the 3" upland loads. Obviously, those results apply only to stationary targets. There would have to be some shot string differences, but I don't think it would be a serious issue in the lighter loads.

For a lead shot hunting load, I would be very comfortable up to 1 1/8 oz in a 20. Any larger and I would go with a 12.

I can only assume the same would hold true for BP, as I have not yet acquired a smoothbore ML.
 
It isn't the amount of shot you fire out of the gun, it is the way the shot patterns that is important. I have found in my experience that a square load is usually just about correct for many guns and the game they are shooting at. A sqaure load for a 20ga. is 7/8oz., 16ga is 1oz. and 12ga. is 1 1/8oz. If you have to develope your own style, but I lean toward lighter amounts of shot, than heavier amounts. This reduces the need for as much powder and it gives me the patterns and performance I am looking for. Go to the patterning board and enjoy yourself working up the best load for your gun and your style. Actually, I shoot 1oz. and 2 3/4dr. of 2F in the shotguns I have from 12ga., 14ga. and 16ga. My 20ga. uses 7/8oz. and 2 1/2dr. of 2F. Anyrate, I read the articles that are available for a guide line and then just spent enjoyable time at the bench seeing what my guns liked best.
 
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