affordable sxs

[william pratt]

without a doubt a good original English double would be the way to go if you want to shoot an original. They made a superior product. But they are hard to find and often very pricey. A good alternative is a Belgium made sxs. They were not as expensive a gun as an English but were good servicable guns with good damascus barrels and were made in large numbers. They can still be found for a good price. I have an original W Richards (Wesley Richards imitation) in 16ga with good damascus barrels and it is an excellent shooter. It has seen a hard life (as evidenced by several welldone stock repairs) but that just adds to the mystique. I'm not afraid to take it afield and it's thick barrels are up to the task. It is cylinder bored and until I learn to jug-choke, I will have to live with this limitation. But buying and using the affordable Belgium guns are a good alternative when you cannot get a good English. I know that some look down on Belgium guns as inferior to the English, and they aren't on the same level, but a good Belgium in good condition will make a good serviceable hunting gun. Just ask VM Starr.

 

[Christiaan]

Well, Muzzleloader51, the secret is out. Middlesex will have an affordable double barrel muzzleloading shotgun in the near future. It will be a 12Ga percussion and a 20Ga flintlock.
It will be Indian made and not English or Belgium but it should be a good shooter.
In SA we get very few good original shotguns. The orginals are mostly rusted to pieces as it had to be hidden for a hundred years. So we are looking forward to affordable shotguns. But the need seems to be world wide. I spoke to a friend in the UK and they are also excited about Indian made shotguns.

 

[Rebel]

How near in the future for the SxS flinter Christiaan?

 

[Christiaan]

The first samples for testing are being prepared. I think it could be on the market within the next two to three months. I will post a pic as soon as we get the first pics from India.

 

[Rebel]

Thanks Christiaan. There will be a lot of people happy to see them.

 

[Christiaan]

Thanks Christiaan. There will be a lot of people happy to see them.

Sure hope so :thumbsup:
It should look something like this, as this is the pictures I send as reference. This one is a 10Ga so the lines should be more slender.

But we will have to see. Could still be a surprize :hmm:

 

[spudnut]

I jst emailed him about the same thing.After seeing the double pistol and the flint double pistol in the works,I just had to know when they are bringing out a shot gun.He didnt say when but said it's in the works.I am going to have one finaly :grin:

 

[Christiaan]

Spudnut, I think they might use the same Locks as the double pistol. It should produce a nice slender fowler. Just a fowler version of the pistol. I hope you will be very pleased and Blessed once you got one. :thumbsup:

 

[spudnut]

Keep us informed brother :bow:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Now I am perked up and my interest is definetly peaked.

A decent SxS rocklock scatter gun will become a priority for this child.

 

[JimG]

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with a Pedersoli sxs?

 

[Christiaan]

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with a Pedersoli sxs?

Absolutely nothing. :shake: It is the best new SxS on the market. But you pay for the excellent quality. The problem is Pedersoli do not make SXS in flintlock. And some off us do have the Fabulous Flintlock Fowler Flu and the doctor prescribe a Double dosage for this terrible condition. :rotf: :rotf:

 

[BillinOregon]

JimG: If the Euro continues to strengthen against the dollar, the Pedersoli doubles, now selling in the $600s, will be closing in on the $1,000 mark, as are their Kodiak double rifles on the same stocks and locks. At some point, with the internal lock issues and unequal triggers that are common on the Pedersolis, they cease to become either affordable or a good buy.

 

[kentucky bucky]

I have an old Belgium that I refurbed with new locks (the originals were trashed) and some stock repair. The good things about Belgian barrels is they were brazed instead of soldered like the English guns. I don't think they have the separation issues like the English ones. I first "proofed" the barrels with cannon fuse and a hefty double charge with no problems. I enjoy shooting something I brought back from the dead, especially when I only have $180.00 in it!

 

[Christiaan]

That sounds like a fantastic deal, $180 :shocked2: :shocked2: Give us a pic please.

 

[Dave K]

Kentucky Bucky is right about the barrels. I have seen many English barrels that are losing their ribs, but can't recall a single Belgium gun that has. Not saying they can't, just have never seen it. English guns usually have wonderful fit, finish and wood. Belguim guns are usually more agricultural, but............ I have seen some drop dead gorgeous Belguim guns that will rivial quality made by anyone. If looking for a gun, don't just buy it because of where it was made, buy the gun for the quality in that particular gun. In other words, buy the gun, not the name.Always wanted a top drawer English gun, but I shoot several Belgium guns and I shoot them quite often. Muzzleloader shotguns are muzzleloadings best kept secret for fun. IMHO

 

[TANSTAAFL]

To my knowledge, Pedersoli doesn't make a SXS flinter, if I am wrong, enlighten me.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Belgian proofing for ML was of the best.

Some of the English makers had a disconcerting habit of having their barrels tested at the proof house, then would turn down to thin and lighten them up before assembling and stocking.

 

[Wes/Tex]

To my knowledge, Pedersoli doesn't make a SXS flinter, if I am wrong, enlighten me.

You are right, Pedersoli does not make a double flinter, at least at present. I've not heard of any study on their part to do so. The flint gun has a totally different breech than percussion. It's difficult, though not impossible, to convert a double percussion to a double flinter. The double 20 that should be coming from India will have to have been a result of their work in putting together the double flint pistol.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

I suspect you are right, much easier to get the breech area geometry right on a pistol. And when they go to a long gun, it should be a slender one, hopefully.