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[Wes/Tex]

I suspect you are right, much easier to get the breech area geometry right on a pistol. And when they go to a long gun, it should be a slender one, hopefully.

The geometry is the problem but not impossible. The finer double flint guns actually had the lock panels tapered back and in. This put the widest part of the breech area at the front of the locks and cut down on the width toward the wrist. TOW used to keep the peices they sold on their site and it was easy to show the geometry, etc. from the pictures. Now it's a selected part on their site and you have to pay a monthly or yearly fee to see the photos. Suppose it helps them make ends meet.

 

[Christiaan]

I suspect you are right, much easier to get the breech area geometry right on a pistol. And when they go to a long gun, it should be a slender one, hopefully.

You know what, this is exactly my concern. That is why I did not want to blow the horn before I have seen the first sample. But I'll keep you updated.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Thanks Christiaan, many of us will be very interested in the final product.

 

[No Deer]

To my knowledge, Pedersoli doesn't make a SXS flinter, if I am wrong, enlighten me.

You are right, Pedersoli does not make a double flinter, at least at present. I've not heard of any study on their part to do so. The flint gun has a totally different breech than percussion. It's difficult, though not impossible, to convert a double percussion to a double flinter. The double 20 that should be coming from India will have to have been a result of their work in putting together the double flint pistol.

I am having a Navy Arms double converted to flint. My friend has a Pedersoli double he also wanted to convert. It seems that he couldn't because the tubes are breeched before they are joined together, so there is no way to get the breech off the tubes without separating the them. The Navy arms are breeched after they are joined, so the plugs can be taken out and new ones made for flint.

 

[paulvallandigham]

I suspect that Pedersoli is doing a little Lawyering to protect itself from people using their barrels to make something else, and the law suits that will occur once the firearm passes through several hands, and several decades. If you have to cut the two barrels apart, then remove the plugs, and then convert them, there will be enough evidence of after market altering for the company to have a secure defense to such a lawsuit.

I have plans to make an over/under shotgun, using modern steel barrels. These plans are for a straight line percussion action, but a flint action would also be possible, although the width of the gun would be rather wide. And, people should also consider a swivel breech action for a double barrel shotgun, in addition to the S X S configuration.

Finally, while a 12 gauge double seems to be the ticket, the smaller gauge guns are handier in the field, and will take game birds just as readily.

I had the opportunity to hold and examine a 12 gauge Tower English DB Shotgun, from the 1770s many years ago. The barrels were 36 inches long, with no choke. The buttplate was almost 3 inches wide' the LOP was about 12 1/2 "; the drop was closer to 3 inches at the comb" and the forend grip was a wide, 3 1/2 to 4 " wide , piece of wood. The gun balanced right at the forend where it felt the most comfortable to place your hand. That fact made the gun very easy to swing. The Tower locks used the military style double throated cocks, and bess style lockplate. The gun was owned by a private collector, and there was no doubt as to its authenticity, age, or the fact that it was made for an English officer who took the gun to the Colonies during the revolution. How it left his hands I did not learn. It did weigh quite a bit, but I did not have a chance to put it on a scale. The fact that it balanced so well made the weight almost unimportant. I think that will be the key to whether you like the S x S double gun you make, or acquire. I have handled many original side by side double guns at Friendship, looking for something that fit, and I could afford! So far, I have not found a gun, made in this country or abroad that balanced as well as that s x s flintlock double gun.

 

[Carteret Kid]

If only the gun could talk . How it left his hands would be quite a story .

 

[paulvallandigham]

YOu are very right about that. And, you can be sure I asked. His son, who brought the gun to me so I could copy the left hand lock, in hopes of presenting the drawing to one of the casters of locks to see if we could get a Large, Bess style LH lock made, did not know the history of the gun, and seemed only concerned that he get it back unscathed to his father.

 

[Christiaan]

If only the gun could talk . How it left his hands would be quite a story .

With it being such a fine piece. The officer prolly were not able to resist, shout or fight anymore :shake: The dead don't resist :surrender:

 

[Carteret Kid]

Were royal officers allowed to take non standard weapons into battle ?

 

[paulvallandigham]

Officers wore what they wanted, and carried what they wanted. I suspect this was made for a higher ranking officer so he could do some hunting while in the colonies. Officers often bought their ranks, and paid for their own weapons.

 

[Christiaan]

Were royal officers allowed to take non standard weapons into battle ?

Now that is an interesting question :hmm:
Got an old man the other day that showed me a .22 Remington that he sweared his grandpa took of an English officer during the Boer war 1898-1902. He was very offended when I speculated that his grandpa might have twisted the truth, cause his grandpa was the most truthful honest person that ever lived. :bull:
So I have to conclude that English officers must have had interesting weapons. Interesting,... it was always an officer. Nobody took anything from a private. :shake: :nono:

 

[Wes/Tex]

Were royal officers allowed to take non standard weapons into battle ?

Will have to check a bit but do know one officer taook a double flint shotgun, think it was during the very early French Revolution era which would be the 1790's.