thanks guys,, first off it's a flintlock...second it was same can of powder i'd been using,3f goex,i did notice...accidently! that unusal amount of crud in breech,but,not sure how the breech plug is shaped,and i couldn't find my 62 scraper, so i used my 50 cal.scraper, maybe the centermark plug is beveled/coned like? an the 62 scraper isn't gettin it all out??? maybe take some of the black ink stuff(that's the technical term for it???) and put the 62 scraper down an see how much ink comes off,then file that an do it again??? anyone had to do that? could be also as simple as (without starting a primer arguement!) maybe i put 3f in the primer instead of 4f...it do make a difference on this gun..)but i don't think thats it, powder flowed nice when loading,,maybe left gunk (another technical term!) in the breech? thanks for all the advice! hangfires stink! anyone got an idea of shape of breechplug in centermarks tulle? thanks RC