am I the onlyone who dislikes inlines? percussion

[3 stinky dogs]

Yup I have to drive to Conroe or Bass pro to get any decent 4 lb line.I aint hunting with my new flint gun as I dont have the confidence In my abilety to run it properly just yet.But next year I will be useing it for sure.

 

[Bountyhunter]

Out here, on this side of the Pecos, inlines are referred to as cheatlines. They are a fad with the yuppies who want another hunting season but dont have the skills to hunt with a traditional black powder muzzle-loader. They show up with their stainless steel and plastic toys with big scopes on them and brag how they can use 40 grains of smokeless powder and big saboted bullets and shoot 300 yards. Might as well just use a 30-06 and be done with it. Only difference is that they technically load from the muzzle.

We hope that it is a passing fad.

B

 

[BS]

I am wondering the sales numbers? How many side locks were sold last year, and how many inlines?

Just guessing, 15-20% [side hammers]or do you think less? Where can we find out the numbers?

 

[Dave K]

It would be nice if it were a passing fad, but I am afraid it is not. Unless, states do something to regulate them into the regular gun season. Too many hunting shows, that only talk of ml'ing as inlines. We are all fed the stuff of long range kills and flatter, faster bullets and scopes that you can see way out there. They also talk how easy they are to clean with their stainless barrels and sure fire ignition with 209 primers, why would you want to shoot anything else?

 

[SavageArcher]

I think in some recent book by Toby Bridge he claims over 80% of hunters are using inlines for special ML seasons now. The only hopeful thought in all this is that in time many may switch to more tradional sidelocks. In traditional archery most new recuits were compound shooters for many years before switching to stick and string. I hope the same for the ML industry. People come around to a traditional additude because of a sense of romance,pride in crafsmanship,etc. that is lacking in alot of hi-tech wonder toys. I still use my compound bow now and if all I had to hunt with was an inline I'd use it, but I think the experience would be lacking something special. I plan to stick to traditional-style gear in MLing and convert to good old stickbow archery also. Heck I guess I'm just a traditional kind a guy.

 

[Claude Mathis]

can't you guys just let it go? i don't care for them either but quit bashing in lines. at least there shooters. i will not allow myself to be drawn into this trolling again. i said my piece.

I agree.

The fact that we don't "discuss" in-line weapons on this site does not mean that we are here to bash them.

You offer good advise... "let it go". If people want to complain about them, I suggest they do it on another web site.

We have a forum for discussing the "Muzzleloading Season", but that's different than just complaining about in-lines for the sake of it.

 

[recycle33952]

my appologies Im new never knew about the war that I reopened. My comment was not geared exactly towards inlines but the lack of traditional muzzle loaders. By the look of the thriving activity here on this board I got into a thriving hobby with many enthusiasts. I was desperate trying to find anything with wood yes real wood it would have been easier to probably carve a stock from pine bark than spend all the time i DID GOING TO EVERY SPORTING GOODS STORE AND GUNSHOP FOR MILES AND MILES. yes times are changing I just love the old fashioned well made things and comming from someone as young as me maybe I am the weirdo. so again my deepest appology if my post caused offense

 

[walruskid1]

you ain't a weirdo for liking quality. nice wood and blued or browned steel is just good taste.

 

[3 stinky dogs]

I like the idea that I dont need to spend $400.00 more of my hard ernd beens on a scope site or take my bow to have it "tuned" evry year.Heck I can make my own string and aerrow's I can scrounge lead and buy my powder in bulk.When I shope for ammo I dont need to decide if i need the next best thing to a deth ray.How about the warmth and buety of a long rifle and it's slim lines .My rifle feel's like it is supposed to be in my hand.Like I sed I can apreceate the look's of an in line but I look at it like it's a tool.They are attractive in a diffrent way.My gun is inviting when I am at the range I get comments on it evry time I go and 9 out of 10 times 2 or 3 people ask to try a shot.That never happen's with my ar ,ak or what ever.Sorey to ramble but I like to think of it as my little secret but I share willingly.And with my recurve I get a dozen aluminium arrows and field points properly spined to my bow and ta da I am in business.No limb saver or stabelizer wisker biscut blah blah.I to would like to see a comparison of how much of what was sold this year.and other then weather proofing I and scope sites I would like to see how much of an advantage an in line has over a well built side lock at 50 to 100 yeards.

 

[Pittsburghunter]

I love all guns modern and weird included. That is one of the things that got me into m/l in the first place.

I also like experimenting with loads projectiles and loading/cleaning methodes to see what will work best for a particular rifle.

I also love the fine wood and well blued steel of a quality rifle. I also love a cheap gun that will make the pretty guns owner weep with their shooting abilities.

My Scout Carbine is one of the best looking guns I own not just because of how well it was built but the style as well. Even though it does not have a breech plug that is removable I can't talk about it on the percussion forum because it looks too modern. (They look like a Henry Rifle)

My Encore is probabally built better than my Scout but has no charictor. I love that rifle as well but I could not see discussion of that rifle on this forum.

My sidelocks are fine rifles that shoot great My T/C Express is a great looking rifle.

I must add that my only m/l that has a plastic stock is a sidelock. That is nine rifles and two pistols.

 

[tg]

I think we are to wrapped uo in the term "in-line" I have seen pics of 18th and 19th century guns with what we could call inline ignitions and I find them very interesting and think it might be interesting to try one, however they are not the same as the modern guns redesigned to meet the hunting regs loose requirements, nor a historical foundation for the design of the new type, though by useing the term in-line many try to connect the dots.

 

[Pittsburghunter]

I think you are about 3/4 right with that post TG because I even feel some of the modern m/l guns have gone to far and should not be allowed in the m/l season or zones.

Here in NH during the regular season areas with larger settlements are shotgun and m/l only. Some of the loads out of modern m/l are close to cartridge rifles and stray shots could very well be a problem. The same areas of course are open during the regular m/l season.

In my opinion even as a inline owner and shooter Smokeless powder should be banned and I might go as far as saying all shotgun only areas the shooter must use a roundball or conical over a charge of loose powder not exceeding 120g.

 

[Pork Chop]

You know, I have heard of beating a dead horse, but this goes well beyond that. The bones have been pulverized and now the dirt is being beaten into a crater. Inlines - love em or hate em - are not likely going away. Classic firearms will always be Classics. Can't we leave it at that?

Of course, I find it interesting that the I word is almost banned from the forum while suppository guns are discussed without so much as a flinch... :hmm:

 

[Old Salt]

I look at those fancy inlines as the death of my passion

Maybe you should look at the people using those inlines as fledgling traditionlists. I can't imagine too many guys that shoot inlines having the opportunty to shoot a traditional weapon and not enjoying it to the point of wanting to own one.

The world isn't what it was thirty years ago when the only choice for a ML was a traditional style. Some people are going to enter the ML world through the inline door. Once they are in show them the beauty of your caplock, show them the speed and reliability of your flintlock. Show them a smile and some courtesy and there's a chance that same person will be spending a weekend with you chewing the fat over a primitive campfire next year.

I've read the concern about the shrinking number of traditionlists. The way I see it there's a whole flood of guys and gals just waiting to learn. Somebody just needs to show them the way.

Old Salt

 

[tg]

My point was that you can discuss an inline flintlock or caplock and be talking about a type of gun made in the 18th or 19th century, what was banned here is guns of modern technology/design the"inline" part not really being relevant to the seperation of the two types of guns we are talking about.

 

[3 stinky dogs]

:front:

 

[Wolfbane]

I agree there Old Salt. The inline crowd may be readily subverted to a more historic approach if we ourselves are willing to spend the time to show them a different way.

I own smokeless powder arms (mostly single shot, but that is another story), that leave inlines for dead in the power stakes. I got into muzzle loading through an interest in history and desire to increase my skills as a rifleman.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

If the in lines are taking over then I guess that makes them the norm and we are just a bunch of weirdo's who think there's something special about doing it the old fashioned way.

Can't say it bothers me much, I've been weird for over 50 years now and it's too late to change :youcrazy:

Ditto here, big encampments are not my cup of java. ( I drink the "other" iced. I know, to a Brit, ugh) :crackup:

 

[Pork Chop]

TG,

My post was not directed at you - yours was just the most convenient to click on to reply. I fully understand what you were saying and am in agreement with you. My comment was on the whole thread...

 

[roundball]

Maybe you should look at the people using those inlines as fledgling traditionlists. I can't imagine too many guys that shoot inlines having the opportunty to shoot a traditional weapon and not enjoying it to the point of wanting to own one.

The world isn't what it was thirty years ago when the only choice for a ML was a traditional style. Some people are going to enter the ML world through the inline door. Once they are in show them the beauty of your caplock, show them the speed and reliability of your flintlock. Show them a smile and some courtesy and there's a chance that same person will be spending a weekend with you chewing the fat over a primitive campfire next year.

I've read the concern about the shrinking number of traditionlists. The way I see it there's a whole flood of guys and gals just waiting to learn. Somebody just needs to show them the way.
Old Salt

Actually I think you put it very well...that was how I got started 15 years ago...got caught up in the marketing hype and jumped in as a way of getting another week of deer hunting...never shot that rifle during the year...but taking that step sparked an interest in muzzleloading overall and today I'm a Flintlock shooter/hunter, and shoot a Flintlock almost every Saturday year round.