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Not really sure where to post this but since I shoot only smoothbores figured I'd start here. Has anyone had experience with amber flints and do they actually last longer than English flints? Also, what is a good source of reasonably priced amber flints?
 
Cutfingers said:
"...Has anyone had experience with amber flints and do they actually last longer than English flints?..."
A few years ago I bought a couple dozen to try...got the same size as the Fuller 3/4" BEFs I always use and was very disappointed in them.
They seemed softer than black english flints, crumbling occasionally, short flint life...only got over 50 shots on one of them...averaged 2-3 dozen shots on the others. Based on that, and that they were very expensive to begin with, I've never had any interest in fooling with them again.
 
I tried them several years ago but didn't find enough reason to pay extra. I just ordered a couple of dozen american made flints to see how some local made work.
 
No better than the English Black flints. Give Rich Pierce a yell and get some of his hand knapped Missouri flints. They work well, spark good, and last a long time.
 
Horstgun, who advertises right here on the forum, sent me some as a reward for testing his pyrites.
I am getting fantastic service from them. Good sparks, reliable as black English flints, long life. I also get the same performance from the black English flints. Your mileage may vary, and apparantly does. :grin: :v :shocked2:
volatpluvia
 
I've only tried a couple and I was underwhelmed. Perhaps there's a difference in quality depending on the supplier or something. The ones I tried didn't last half as long as an English Black. They were given to me by a fellow muzzleloader at a gun show. He wasn't impressed with them either. I don't know where he got them originally.
 
I have a few dozen old French amber flints bought from Dixie nearly 30 years ago. They were some of the last ones available at that time, and they are exceptionally good flints that are only used on special occasions.

I bought a dozen amber flints from Hortguns and was VERY disappointed with them. The new ones are soft, crumbly and IMHO, waaaayyy over priced.
 
J.D. said:
I bought a dozen amber flints from Hortguns and was VERY disappointed with them. The new ones are soft, crumbly and IMHO, waaaayyy over priced.
Thats who I bought mine from and is exactly the experience I had...they used to be an advertiser here a few years ago and when I posted about them somebody at that company took me to task about it right here on the forum.

The irony was that my initial post was sort of so-so, low key....that I wasn't impressed enough to pay that price and buy any more, etc...well, after being jumped on I laid out all the details like you just did about the short flint life, the crumbling, etc...
 
I bought six to use in a Naragansett Arms French Partisans fusil I won at the Old Northwest Rendezvous in 96. They gave good service, but no better than English flints. I still have one I put in the fusil when I do school programs.
 
JD: Are your old flints actually made from fossilized AMBER, or are they just the Amber COLOR flints being sold today?

Flint comes in different colors from black to green, to yellow, and red. Some mistake the grey for light blue, and I won't argue with them, as they are in that area of the light spectrum. The color of flint depends on what other minerals are mixed with the silica when its heated to a molten state and cooled.

I ask because more than 20 years ago, my good friend bought an expensive piece of real AMBER flint, at Friendship, to try in his .62 caliber rifle. At the time, we bought Fuller flints for about $.10 each if we bought by volume. This flint he bought for about $3.00 in trade. I know it was real amber because there were bugs in the rock!

It was very hard, but not as hard as some of the English ( Tom Fuller) flints we were using. It was harder than some of the grey flint that we have locally from the St. Louis Limestone strata in S. Illinois.

Don tested that one amber flint to see how many strikes he could get out of it, and exceeded 150 before it was too short to work in his lock anymore. That still did not justify the cost difference, to his way of thinking, and he never bought or traded for another one.

I am just wondering now if that is what Dixie was selling back then. They didn't have any to examine or buy at their booth on Commercial Row the year Don traded for his up in the Primitive Range.
 
In reply to Paul V
I bought some fossil amber to use in jewelry. I don't think this is the same as the amber colored flint that is being spoken of for gun use. the amber I got worked a lot like plastic. I know the stuff I am talking about would never strike a spark. I understand amber is the fossilized sap from evergreen trees. It will melt and burn.
 
Alright, you folks have convinced me that Amber is not what I expected. Now my next question is where I can get the best deal on Fuller English flints? Or if any of you have some for sale ( at least a doz. ) in 3/4 inch please PM me and we'll see if we can work out a deal.
 
I bought a couple of different sizes of the French amber flints from the same supplier the others have mentioned. In my .54 rifle with a Siler lock they do ok, but not as well as the English flints. However my Pedersoli Mortimer pistol really gets great performance with the amber. As with most things, I think it depends on the individual gun/lock.
 
-----order flints from RICH PIERCE--makes his own and they are better than English flints-----
 
I think you had ordinary amber. It is very soft- almost like dry turpentine.

The piece that Don got was actually hard rock, and I remember it so well because it was NOT like ordinary amber. He had no idea of the country of origin, or the original source. He got it in a trade with someone else. That in itself was frustrating. You could clearly see the bugs in the " flint " with your naked eye, although a magnifying glass helped to see individual features. This " flint" had apparently been melted with silicas by volcanic means, and then cooled. I knew then from my lectures in Geology class, and from my readings that Amber comes from many caribbean islands, and other warm water areas, where these plants drip the sap, which attracts bugs, before hardening, such as it can. Its very prized for jewelry, as it makes a stunning setting in both necklaces and rings. I have examined amber at Lapidary stores( Stores that sell rocks, and gems), so I knew what it felt and looked like long before I took my Geology classes in College.

This rock that Don got was different, and was a total surprise to me. I later saw a Dixie Gun Works catalogue advertising " Amber " flints, and wondered if those were the hard Amber flints like Don had, or the yellow flints common in France.
 
This rock that Don got was different, and was a total surprise to me. I later saw a Dixie Gun Works catalogue advertising " Amber " flints, and wondered if those were the hard Amber flints like Don had, or the yellow flints common in France.
FA0160 French Amber Flint Large $12.00 This is the large size: 30 X 35mm ( appx. 1 1/8" X 1 1/8").
OMG! $12 EACH?
 
Paul, I purchased some of the amber flints from Dixie back in the '70s (about the same time as JD) and they were US military surplus purchased by Turner Kirkland from Bannerman's. I still have about a half dozen. As I recall, they were about $1 each, considerably more expensive than the English flints were selling for in those days and the ones that I used were no better than the black flints so I never bought more and haven't used the ones I still have because of their history. Anyway, they are definitely not amber, some have small chalk inclusions and no bugs evident in any of them. They are knapped with one edge usable and the heel is rounded. All are musket or military rifle size. If my daughter will take some pics I will try to post them.
 
Thanks for the history on the Dixie flints. It sounds like those are similar to the French yellow flints being sold today. :thumbsup:
 
Unlike Va.Manuf.06, I have had really good luck with the antique amber,or yellow flints, but do have the same reservations about using them because they are no longer available.

The new yellow, amber flints seem to be much softer, more crumbly than the antique ones.

Roundball,
The truth is the truth. If someone is producing an inferior product the truth needs to be told, no matter what the response might be. And, from reading past messages, I'm sure everyone knows I can be an opinionated old fart, so I don't care if someone is offended at hearing the truth about their inferior, often overpriced product.
J.D. who ain't got not tact.
 
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