Yup….I checkedJEBMs, what did you say? I can relate to the hearing aid issue and they’re so darned expensive. Age, noise, genetics and guns.
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American Primeval on Netflix
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every one of those boxes.FLINTLOCK FELLOW - "Isn’t that part of what makes storytelling meaningful?"
yes. it IS THE point of storytelling. just finished watching the series. enjoyed it, even with the graphic scenes.
yes. it IS THE point of storytelling. just finished watching the series. enjoyed it, even with the graphic scenes.
I saw that also, but I'm not an expert on gun of that period. I thought I saw a brass framed 1851 Navy in one scene, but not 100%. I don't think they existed in 1857 but could be wrong.
The Army Captain is holding it in Episode 4 when the Shoshone come up on the ridge at the Army encampment. It is an 1855 Colt Revolving rifle. It has a full stock, I don't if recall the one I held at a gun show having a full stock.
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I found the old pic. I guess the one I held indeed had a full stock.
Now you’re just being mean spirited, Flint. Go ahead and pull up a chair by our fire. You’re my new idol.
Finished it up last night. Very enjoyable, and I don't even think the violence was overdone. If anything it was understated compared to what is written in Empire of the Summer Moon, though that was Comanche not Shoshone.
CuNosecap
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Thank you for both the screenshot and your cool picture. I knew there was a revolving rifle/carbine and have seen reproductions. I was unsure of the year of patent or introduction. This movie was set in 1857. I wondered while watching the movie how difficult it would be to get a relatively new model of rifle (1855) or pistol (1851) that far west given the logistics of the Mountain Man era. I guess the fur traders were well connected.I found the old pic. I guess the one I held indeed had a full stock.
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I watched about an hour and a half of the American Primeval trying to get interested but it just didn't happen for me. Don't think I will waste any more time on it. Maybe look at Dexter.
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Mean-spirited? Never! Just calling it like I see it. But I’ll gladly pull up a chair—sounds cozy. Let’s swap stories by the fire, friend!
As a Northwest Arkansas native I've always been interested in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. I've read every historical account I can lay my hands on. American Primeval is a historic dramatization that takes some license with known history. That said, it lets the LDS off lightly in many respects. Superstitious, illiterate LDS butchers lined up 140 men, women and children and shot them. The LDS has labored for decades to suppress the gory details of this tragedy. Governor Mike Leavitt illegally had remains buried without coroner forensics when too many children's skulls were found with close range bullet wounds. American Primeval depicts the massacre as a battlefield combat. It was a mass execution of surrendered prisoners, all but toddlers who were distributed to LDS families for rearing. Brigham Young was an illiterate bigamist with megalomaniacal designs on a theocratic empire after being propped up by the U.S. government to settle a lawless territory. The U.S. became nervous about rebellious, secessionist states in the 1850's and marched on Young's cult theocratic state. Nauvoo Legion fighters never won battles against U.S. cavalry. The sordid affair was settled by Utah's grudging acquiescence to foreswear bigamy, which they did over a period of decades. Criminal liability for the massacre ended with John B. Lee's trials and execution and the LDS's sweeping up of incriminating documentation against anybody else. Young's offer to read the sales contract to Jim Bridger is laughable. Young's secretaries wrote and read his documents for him.
I noted that period revolvers were a combination of 1851 Navies and Dragoons, though the Dragoons may have been Navies in petite hands. Many of the Army cavalrymen had Sharps carbines. Sharps enthusiasts could weigh in on whether paper cartridge breechloaders were possible in 1857, certainly not metallic cartridge versions.
American Primeval is worth viewing for its positive resolution, not the dark gory details.
I noted that period revolvers were a combination of 1851 Navies and Dragoons, though the Dragoons may have been Navies in petite hands. Many of the Army cavalrymen had Sharps carbines. Sharps enthusiasts could weigh in on whether paper cartridge breechloaders were possible in 1857, certainly not metallic cartridge versions.
American Primeval is worth viewing for its positive resolution, not the dark gory details.
Flintlock Fellow
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Fascinating history, and I’ll definitely keep this in mind the next time a pair of well-dressed missionaries knock on my door. I might just casually ask if they’d like to discuss the finer details of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Should make for an interesting chat!
I have so far only watched the first 3 episodes, and found the story very interesting and somewhat informative, given the dramatization.
I got a quick glance at what looked to me very much like a Stevens single shot falling block rifle in A-P, which would be way before its time.
What intrigued me the most was the way in which both early battle attack scenes in The Revenant and American Primeval appear to be shot. Both appear to be one long continuous 'take', seemingly without a break or cut in the filming. If you missed that, go back and see them again! Close scrutiny of The Revenant does show that breaks, or cuts, are there, but very skillfully hidden and transitioned. In The Revenant I recall one scene where the camera is following one trapper and then is passed off to follow along with an Indian on horseback going at breakneck speed. I remember reading somewhere that most of The Revenant's early battle scene attack footage was shot using a pole-mounted GoPro Camera that was passed around during the live filming. It is amazing to me how filmmakers achieve some of the effects that they do, so credit the director and special effects folks!
I got a quick glance at what looked to me very much like a Stevens single shot falling block rifle in A-P, which would be way before its time.
What intrigued me the most was the way in which both early battle attack scenes in The Revenant and American Primeval appear to be shot. Both appear to be one long continuous 'take', seemingly without a break or cut in the filming. If you missed that, go back and see them again! Close scrutiny of The Revenant does show that breaks, or cuts, are there, but very skillfully hidden and transitioned. In The Revenant I recall one scene where the camera is following one trapper and then is passed off to follow along with an Indian on horseback going at breakneck speed. I remember reading somewhere that most of The Revenant's early battle scene attack footage was shot using a pole-mounted GoPro Camera that was passed around during the live filming. It is amazing to me how filmmakers achieve some of the effects that they do, so credit the director and special effects folks!
Hay if you want to see a couple kids. Look at you. Like you're from a different planet. Go a head and ask them.
Not all of the missionaries are from Utah. I'm a born and raised Utahn. And
In the scene with the French bandits I think one of them is carrying an 1863 zouave Rifle.
why did colt make it weaker by adding a top strap?I found the old pic. I guess the one I held indeed had a full stock.
Sorry, my job got in the way. So as a native Utahn you hear very little about Mountain Medow.
You do learn that. That before the Mormons moved to the west. They built a thriving city out of some swampland. That nobody else wanted. In Missouri. After a while the political environment got so bad for them. That they were driven out of their city. Some were killed by the mobs that chased them out.
So move forward a few years and Utah is beeing settled. And some of the local Mormon settlers. Would see these people comming in to their territory. Well just didn't want them there. With the memories of former persecution that such people inflicted on them. Yes a group acted as vigilantes dressed like Indians. And you have a recipe for a Massacre.
I just watched the first episode. And I thought that it was a bit over done. Like the first person killed. Had an arrow go through the skull. Lodged in the skull seems more likely for a native bow of the time. Just my prospective, I do shoot some light poundage Osage flat self bows. I don't know how the Ute style of bow actually would perform. That's my .02 cents worth.
who cares if the guns are period correct. what really matters is that these people endured hell on earth to build this country. their courage and determination was unreal. the country was built on their blood in the ground and instead of being honored the country pisses on them
CuNosecap
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Well now you are mixing the film and the history.
The history should and does stand by itself. No argument there. But the film is the depiction of history as interpreted by writers, producers, directors and actors. They all lend their own part to the story to one degree or another.
But the films that are remembered as Good to Excellent, have their historical facts and costumes held to the most accurate standards. I think that is what makes a good move---
The accurate representation of the history as best can be told.
