Any interest in a copper pot build?
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I have collected quite a few references to copper utensils of several sorts offered for sale or otherwise mentioned in 18th-century newspapers back into the 1730s.running horse said:
The Pennsylvania Gazette
May 12, 1737
PEACOCK BIGGER, Brazier, in Market Street near the Sign of the Indian King: MAKES and Sells all Sorts of Copper Work, viz. Tea kettles, Coffee-Pots, Warming-Pans, Copper-Pots, Saucepans, Dutch Ovens and Stew-Pans, Brass Kettles and any other Sorts of Copper Work when bespoke: He tins and mends old Copper Work and sells Tinwork at reasonable Rates, and gives ready Money for old Copper and Brass.
The South Carolina Gazette
May 8, 1749
Charleston, South Carolina
JUST IMPORTED....all sorts and sizes of pewter dishes, plates, chamber potts, porringers, tea-pots, large cups, ditto with covers , brass and copper skillets,
THE SOUTH CAROLINA AND AMERICAN GENERAL GAZETTE
August 5, 1774
JOHN CRAWFORD,
MAKES and SELLS all Sorts of COPPER and PLUMBER'S WORK, such as Brewing Coppers, Stills, Pots for Kitchens of all Kinds and Sizes, Coffee Pots, Chocolate Pots, Tea Kettles, Sauce Pans, Stew Pans, French Stew Pans, Coal Skuttles, Plate-warmers, Turbot Pans, Camp Kettles, Decanters, Copper pumps,
Spence
Spence, I doubt there is a soul who has extracted more useful stuff from that data base than you have.
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Some 18th century examples of pots and kettles shown here: https://www.scribd.com/document/205854633/Food-Food-Preparation-Pots-Kettles-Dutch-Ovens
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"Coal Skuttles" What's that?
Thinking a pail with pour spout kept next to the coal burning stove or fireplace?????? I thought they were sheet metal or sheet iron not copper as that was expensive and never saw one at fairs, yard sales, flea markets or auctions but I can be wrong.
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Coal scuttle is the bucket near the stove or hearth that held the coal, often today they are used as Ash buckets when cleaning out the fireplace.
You all are awesome if you didn't know already. There I enough evince for a straight sided pot which would be easier than a porridge pot which still looks like fun but may wait until next time.
You all are awesome if you didn't know already. There I enough evince for a straight sided pot which would be easier than a porridge pot which still looks like fun but may wait until next time.
It's a specific container for holding coal lumps, often placed next to whatever you have to burn the coal, so you can add coal when needed without having to move too far.
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Spence, am I correct that the above that you posted is listing copper Dutch Ovens ???
LD
The term "Dutch Oven" has evolved over time. The reference in the Pennsylvania Gazette of 1737 almost certainly refers to a reflector style of oven placed in front of the hearth to cook food indirectly using the heat of the fire.
Often called a Tin Oven. See the image in the picture in the following link.
Open Hearth Baking
The term Dutch Oven is often used for a thick walled kettle used for baking.
Often called a Tin Oven. See the image in the picture in the following link.
Open Hearth Baking
The term Dutch Oven is often used for a thick walled kettle used for baking.
The reflector oven is also called a tin kitchen, and the dutch oven is called a bake kettle. I've never seen a description of a dutch oven which made me think it was about a reflector oven.
Cooking utensils were called by unfamiliar names in the old days, and frequently terms we are familiar with are used for very different pieces. Skillet is a good example, it doesn't always refer to the 'fry pan' we think of. Frequently more like a sauce pan on legs, with a handle, and sometimes called a posnet, and of ceramics in the older days.
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Cooking utensils were called by unfamiliar names in the old days, and frequently terms we are familiar with are used for very different pieces. Skillet is a good example, it doesn't always refer to the 'fry pan' we think of. Frequently more like a sauce pan on legs, with a handle, and sometimes called a posnet, and of ceramics in the older days.
Spence
Me too, and I'd have to see some reference where it's clear they are talking about tin kitchen type reflector oven when using the term "Dutch Oven". I'd think it more likely bad grammar, and the Dutch Oven listed in the ad, was in fact iron, and it was an error to list it with the copper items, rather than it being a copper, reflector roaster called a Dutch Oven...,
BUT..., on the other hand I had never heard of a Copper Dutch Oven until about a few hours ago, so if it was a copper based reflector oven, it would be the fist time I'd seen documentation for that... :wink: ...so it's a first for me..., just not sure of what?
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LD
The man said flat out that the items were copper. Twice. Why not take him at his word?Loyalist Dave said:
"MAKES and Sells all Sorts of Copper Work, viz. Tea kettles, Coffee-Pots, Warming-Pans, Copper-Pots, Saucepans, Dutch Ovens and Stew-Pans, Brass Kettles and any other Sorts of Copper Work...
Spence
MEA CULPA.... sincerely,
I DO take him at his word, I meant and failed to properly write..., I would think it more likely if he wasn't referring to a proper Dutch Oven, aka bake kettle..., that he placed the words "Dutch Oven" in the wrong place in the ad, rather than his referring to a reflector oven made of copper.
A pox upon me for a confusing lout! :redface:
LD
I DO take him at his word, I meant and failed to properly write..., I would think it more likely if he wasn't referring to a proper Dutch Oven, aka bake kettle..., that he placed the words "Dutch Oven" in the wrong place in the ad, rather than his referring to a reflector oven made of copper.
A pox upon me for a confusing lout! :redface:
LD
I also found this...,
In a 1995 edition of The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy by Glasse...., the publisher of that edition, Prospect Books, wrote this in their "glossary"...,
The reference to a tin oven, is to the ”˜Dutch oven’ which was in common use and which stood in front of the fire
Except I checked, and the references are to a "tin oven" and in no way would one think that they are for anything but a reflector oven, nor would anyone think to call them a "Dutch Oven", except by the horrendous mistake made by the editor at Prospect Books.
LD
In a 1995 edition of The Art of Cookery Made Plain and Easy by Glasse...., the publisher of that edition, Prospect Books, wrote this in their "glossary"...,
The reference to a tin oven, is to the ”˜Dutch oven’ which was in common use and which stood in front of the fire
Except I checked, and the references are to a "tin oven" and in no way would one think that they are for anything but a reflector oven, nor would anyone think to call them a "Dutch Oven", except by the horrendous mistake made by the editor at Prospect Books.
LD
It's lucky you and I are here to straighten that editor out. :haha:Loyalist Dave said:
Peacock Bigger advertised as a 'brazier', which modern definition is a worker in brass. In his ad he says "...Brass Kettles and any other Sorts of Copper Work", so maybe his Dutch oven could be made of brass, which seemed to be included in his description of 'copper work'. No way it's iron, though.
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