Are the hunter safety classes the same all over?

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These are government sponsored courses. Like CCDW classes, if you come out of it with two or three points about the law that you didn't know already or were a complete matter of common sense then you are doing well. Fortunately you only have to go through once!
 
Just want it over and done with. I'll only ever be hunting on family land so I don't have to deal with anyone else. Get too jittery with other people around me with loaded weapons unless I seriously know and trust them.
 
cynthialee said:
It would make more sense to have a class on each type of hunting method employed by the hunter in question.

We do that in NJ, and it has good points and bad points.

The classroom portion is taught via DVD. Students pick up a DVD and a workbook at their local sport shop. They watch the video and complete the workbook, then sign up for a field session.

During the field session they go through about a one hour discussion about basic hunting safety - tree stand safety, safe gun handling, shoot/don't shoot scenarios. Then they head off to the ranges according to which disciplines they have registered for (shotgun, archery, or rifle/muzzleloader). Students can take all three disciplines in a single day.

At the ranges we go over specifics for each weapon. I teach rifle/muzzleloader, and we cover both safety and legalities. The students are each required to load and fire 2 shots with a .22 rifle. They also have to load and fire a muzzleloader. All firearms and ammunition are supplied by the state. There is no accuracy requirement, but they have to demonstrate safe handling.

After they have finished at the range, they take a written exam. All in all, someone taking all 3 disciplines is done in about 5-6 hours (excluding the time at home watching the video and completing the workbook).
 
I just had a discussion at Sunday's class with the program coordinator about whether or not we still need a rifle/muzzleloader class. My argument against it is that with modern shotguns and slugs, the shotgun is at least on equal footing with most muzzleloaders.
 
I teach the class in Texas. Like has been said, we have a standard set of things we have to cover, and 10 hrs to do it in. I usually split the class into two days because when I used to do it in one day, some students just couldn't handle it. Cost wise, the class costs $15 here, but I dont know if that is common among all States or if it varies. Weapons-wise, we cover MLs, shotguns, rifles, handguns, and archery, regardless of if everyone uses all of them of just one of them--and the focus is on being safe with them, with a few basics thrown in on each one, but it is not an extensive how to session with any specific method. We also do some basic first aid, outdoor/weather safety, tracking, animal ID, go over taking care of the meat after the kill, etc, etc. It is basically geared toward someone who hasn't hunted before, but everyone is required to take the class if they are born after August of 1971. Here is the funny thing. You are not required to have your hunter safety card to purchase a license, but you are required to have it on you while hunting and be able to present it to the Game Warden if asked along with your license. And from what I have been told, the fine for not having done the class is much more than the $15 class fee.

As an aside, and this is nothing against anyone here, but as an instructor, I also get a annual brief in the mail or through email from Texas Parks and Wildlife, which includes a summary of every reported hunting accident fo rthe previous year. This includes things such as the age of the person, the county it happened in, the weapon used, weather the person had a hunting license, if they had been through a hunter safety course, and weather the accident was fatal or not, among a few other things. The vast majority of accidents since I have been getting these reports, are caused by hunters who had NOT been through the course, and many of those are old enough to be exempt from it. This isn't anything against older hunters, or anyone else, just a reminder each time I get it that a refresher is a good thing on occasion when it comes to safety. And in case anyone is wondering, the youngest students we can certify used to be 13yrs old, but was lowered to 9 yrs old a few years ago. So you can now send a unsupervised 9 yr old who had taken the course and passed it hunting and they can do so legally.

We have the option of doing or not doing the field portion, but after having had two brothers (13 and 17 at the time) point loaded rifles at my chest and ask me what I was going to do about it, I no longer do a field portion. By the way, those two failed, along with a long letter and video of what they did being sent to the State explaining why I failed them, and why I recommend they never be issued a Hunter Safety Certificate or a hunting license. I wont go into details here, but long story short, it came very close to a shooting that day but it turned out that they were not willing to be on a two way firing range and gladly dropped their rifles when they realized that they were not the only ones armed. I still teach these classes, but after having lost two years worth of deer hunting due to last minute calls begging me to do the class for one or two people every weekend, I make it known that I will happily teach a class on any day I have off of work BEFORE seasons starts, but once it starts, I am hunting and will be happy to resume teaching classes AFTER the season ends so please plan ahead. Some people have gotten upset about it, but I figure they had plenty of warning as to when the season was scheduled to begin and had time to do it. I also tell them they have the option of going to a Cabelas or Basspro which we have both a bit over 100 miles away and they tend to do the classes every weekend, but to call ahead. So I give them an option on where and how to go get it done, but no longer give up my hunts like I used to do.

I guess the nice thing that the OP would appreciate is that my students leave class with a temporary certificate that allows them to hunt that day if they so choose, because I send the paperwork off to the State that day or the next, and it usually takes a week or two for the students to get their permanent State-issued certificate/card.
 
I don't know about all over, but they certainly have changed over time....

I took my HSC when I was 9 with my 10 year old brother, it wasn't required by the state but dad said it was important. The instructor was a hands-on guy who did most of the class walking in the woods and showing us stuff (I remember tearing my pants during the "cross the barbed wire fence" safely part...) The shooting part was an all day event, we started with .22's then moved on to; revolvers, pistols, shotguns (.410 thru 12) and then centerfire rifles, everyone was encouraged to try at least one shot from them all (also remember stepping up to try the .375, but the instructor recommended I pass on that one...can you picture that, I weighed in at less than 75 lbs :rotf: )lots of good stuff, every night for a week and all day on saturday...

Back to modern times...I re-took the class with both my kids back in 2005. It was at the VFW with about 60 people in the class. Many of the "students" made trips to the bar and I don't believe they were bringing back juice in their cups. We were handed out the booklets, told to read them as the test is taken directly out of them and then sat and watched movies for the rest of the time. When the movies ended we were dismissed, came back the next night for the same thing. Limited discussion, no useful knowledge passed on and the shooting time was an even bigger joke, step up to the line...get handed a single shot 20ga and 3 shells, shoot at the milk jug and hand the gun back...next...

The test was all common sense. We finished and sat back to wait, the instructor called up about 7 guys who did not get enough questions correct to pass and he "suggested" they look at specific ones to re-think their answers...believe it or not some of them took 3 "re-thinks" to squeek by...

Sooooooo different that what I remembered, btw...my kids scored 99 and 98 on the test, without any re-thinks.... :thumbsup:
 
Grandson ( he's 18 yrs old) just finished his on-line with the Oklahoma Wildlife Dept. Took his time and finished on the third evening. Had to maintain a grade of 100 %. Printed off his Hunter Education Card on line also. No cost. He had to take the course because he was born after a certain year.
Glad I'm old.
 
I'll admit I did terrible on that written test on line. But since I aced all the handling and saftey parts I'm not worried about it. I just couldn't keep my attention on most of it. Was beyond boring. Anything else I thought might be critical I looked up and researched on my own.
 
Heyoka said:
I'll admit I did terrible on that written test on line. But since I aced all the handling and saftey parts I'm not worried about it. I just couldn't keep my attention on most of it. Was beyond boring. Anything else I thought might be critical I looked up and researched on my own.

If safety is boring to you maybe you should find something else for you to do other than hunting. From your post not sure you could keep your attention to the job at hand while out in the woods hunting anyway. Your posts are more what I'd expect from a young kid living in the city.
 
On Line should never be allowed,period.....If I have someone else set down and take the on line for me and print off my card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Then you,me and anyone else in the woods are hunting with an unsafe/unqualified card carrying person.
Any instructor or state that has allowed this program to be degraded to this point should be taken to court.
Time is not important when it comes to safety,, so don't go there.
I takes longer and more man hours and agencies to investigate a hunting accident than prevent one.
If the class has gone down hill to where it is not working,,,fix it,,
 
Been looking into it since yesterday, and by my count there are 32 states that allow hunters to take the safety course online. A lot of people today expect to able to take courses online, so I think the number of states that have this will only be growing.

Whether this is good or bad remains to be seen.
 
My son just took the on line course for NYS. He still had to take the field safety course to get his hunter safety card. In NYS there is no charge for the course but he had to pay $25.00 for the on line course because he could not make the 3 hour night portion. He still had to go through most of the course and pass the written test just like everyone else. They did not accept the paperwork from the on line course. All the on line course did for him was get him into the day long portion of the course. I think NYS is doing it right.

Jim
 
I feel it isn't just the "book" part of the instruction that is important for safety,,it's the behavior of the student as well.
The on line might be good as a screening but should not take the place of the class room.
If NY is doing as you wrote ,,good on them.I use to hunt in NY down around Woodhull/Jasper.You have the corner on deer herds,,,,
 
It's not a question of my handling or operating firearms safely. That I had pounded into me a long time ago and am dead serious about when I am out shooting or my wife is with me. I had trouble with areas involving chokes on shotguns and shooting at fowl and archery for the most part since I have little experience with either of those other than shooting at paper. I did go research parts I wasn't fully sure about involving deer since deer and rabbit are all I intent to ever hunt. It's more a matter of I don't do well with written tests online or in a classroom. Never have. I do much better by actually doing things.
 
Just checked the Alabama website. If your born after Aug. 1, 1977 you have to take a safety course. Either a 10 hour classroom class followed by a written test OR a CD-ROM course followed by a field day, includes basic safety ( how to cross fences and stuff) plus how to load and unload various weapons. Its FREE for folks 10 years and older. Since I was born in 1961 I am exempt. Learned all about how to handle and be safe with guns from my dad when I was around 10 by shooting my dads .22 auto. My first gun was a .410 H&R full choke single shot on my 12th birthday. BTW I still have it.
 
Thats about what the field test looks like here. Climbing fences,handling weapons,etc. Thats free,the written test was 19.50.
 
Took my first HS class when I was 13, I have since taken it 5 more times once each with each one of my kids I actually enjoyed the time with the kids and safety reminders are never a bad thing. I have multiple HS certificates fron Mn, MI, and Wi. Guess I should start thinking about getting the grandkids into HS couses.
 

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