Argh! Number 10 Caps!

[Josh Smith]

Has anyone else here grabbed #10 caps when you meant to grab #11 caps, just because they were on the store shelf where the #11 caps usually are and you weren't paying attention?

I have 200 now that I don't need. May be an excuse to find money for a revolver, though I don't yet know what I'm going to give up to gain that revolver... food or property! :redface:

 

[watto]

hi, if you think that is annoying, last year remington no 10 caps were in no11 tins, didn't that make for some fun in the capper...

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I don't have such problems, as I own 5 revolvers that all take #10's, so I buy them a box of 1K at a time (10 tins), and receive a $10.00 discount.

Do the same with CCI Magnum #11's for the rifles, and I can shoot them in the rain with 3Fg Goex.

My Range Box contains a Ted Cash tear-drop capper that's fully loaded (100) with caps, as well as several tins of each size. I've become the "Go-to-Guy" at our League Shoots if someone runs out of caps. Got a couple of "friendly beer rounds" over the years for doing so.

Give-up some french fries and put the money in a jar. You'd be surprised how much that will add up and you'll have a '58 NM Army on sale in no time .

Dave

 

[Josh Smith]

Hi Folks,

I don't eat out, nor do I smoke. Not many vices except guns, reading and computers.

Strange thing is that I was lamenting a while back that the Hotshot nipple I got for my T/C is undersized for #11 caps. Tried a #10 cap, an though it's a very tight fit that I have to lower the hammer on to squeeze it on, it will seat and fire.

I guess I can use 'em in an emergency.

Josh

 

[Linc]

Josh, I was just going to say "give them a try anyway". LOL. You can always sand the nipple down a few thousandths to where the caps will fit better.

 

[BrownBear]

Seems to me the easy solution is to buy a #10 nipple for your gun, if there's one that fits.

 

[jaw69]

Im with the rest of them Try them. Most rifles have a strong enough hammer to fire # 10 mine does and have the benifit of NOT hearing that sick metal on metal sound when you pull the trigger when hunting.My story is Quick Shot deer ran then stopped in range. no time to prep pull back hammer while keeping eye on game pulled the trigger and....CLINK To make matters worse it mushrumed the nipple and a # 11 cap was hard to fit. I lost the cap while moving and lost that deer. Now my caps fit TIGHT or I buy a new nipple and softly chuck it in a drill and sand it down to a number 10 tight fit. Or I use a Flintlock

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Hi Folks,

I don't eat out, nor do I smoke. Not many vices except guns, reading and computers.

Strange thing is that I was lamenting a while back that the Hotshot nipple I got for my T/C is undersized for #11 caps. Tried a #10 cap, an though it's a very tight fit that I have to lower the hammer on to squeeze it on, it will seat and fire.

I guess I can use 'em in an emergency.

Josh

Pushing the cap on with the hammer is one of those things you don't do. It's sort of on the list of not loading the barrel with a powder horn. You might go your whole life with no problems, and you might not.

A #10 and #11 cap should be close to the same diameter, but the #10 is a bit longer. Treso nipples are made for #10 caps, but it would cost you just as much to get one as you paid for the two tins of caps. Just push the #10 on your nipple with a wooden dowel. Better tight than falling off.

 

[Josh Smith]

Hi Folks,

I don't eat out, nor do I smoke. Not many vices except guns, reading and computers.

Strange thing is that I was lamenting a while back that the Hotshot nipple I got for my T/C is undersized for #11 caps. Tried a #10 cap, an though it's a very tight fit that I have to lower the hammer on to squeeze it on, it will seat and fire.

I guess I can use 'em in an emergency.

Josh

Pushing the cap on with the hammer is one of those things you don't do. It's sort of on the list of not loading the barrel with a powder horn. You might go your whole life with no problems, and you might not.

A #10 and #11 cap should be close to the same diameter, but the #10 is a bit longer. Treso nipples are made for #10 caps, but it would cost you just as much to get one as you paid for the two tins of caps. Just push the #10 on your nipple with a wooden dowel. Better tight than falling off.

Really? Folks around here push caps onto fouled nipples with hammers all the time. Seemed counter-intuitive to me -- I would never lower a hammer to rest a firing pin on a primer, for example -- but some of these folks telling me this are much older (twice my age, at least) and I just figured to trust their judgment. New stuff and all.

I'll cease and desist if they're not as stable as these folks say.

Now, you are telling me that #10 and #11 nipples are the same diameter, but the #10 is longer? I'd prefer a longer cap. Heck, the T/C is getting changed to musket caps on Thursday anyway, so I can change the taper on the stainless nipple.

Not that I doubt you, but can anyone else confirm what Ol' Cap here is saying? Is the diameter and fire of the #10 caps the same as the #11, with the #10 just being longer?

Another upside is that I can buy the #10 caps much cheaper, not that #11 are expensive, but $5 vs $7 ads up.

Thanks!

Josh

 

[jaw69]

# 10 and # 11 are not the same size 10s are a bit longer and smaller diameter. They fit tighter on the nipple and modern caps take a sharp hit to go off but a safe man always points his loaded rifle in a safe direction.So pushing the cap with the hammer to seat it on the nipple it no problem if following safety rule #1 Dont point a loaded rifle at anything you dont wish to kill and if you have a cap on it is loaded.
Regards JAW

 

[Pete Gaimari]

They fit tighter, because they're being pushed down to a larger part of the nipple.

Rem 11: 0.166" diam, 0.145" tall
Rem 10: 0.167" diam, 0.168" tall

 

[Josh Smith]

Hi Gents,

I just turned down the Hotshot nipple on my T/C. The shaft the cap fits onto is longer than the standard T/C nipple, and I think I actually like the #10 caps on this thing better. The #11 caps were fitting rather loosely, anyway.

Now I'll see about the long rifle, how it handles them. I need to get some stainless nipples for it anyway, so I won't feel bad turning down the existing nipple should it be needed.

Thanks!

Josh

 

[123.DieselBenz]

I used #10 and #11 interchangeably on my T/C Seneca . . . when I first got it, I just grabbed a tin of caps I had for my revolver, forgetting that they were #10's, and the label was rubbed off the first tin I used! . . . and they were 20 years old . . . so I figured I'd use them up!

Worked just fine! Not even any misfires, and most of the time they had been stored in my basement in VT!

 

[jaw69]

Capper at first I though you where right but then I measured the thickness of the metal the caps are made of and I got #11 is .008 and #10 is .0105 a difference of 2.5 thousands per side so the inside diameter is smaller on the 10 caps by 5 thousands

 

[Pete Gaimari]

The figures above are inside diameter.

Taken by mckeal.

This has been hashed out on the CAS forum to death.
The #10 Rem fits tighter, because it goes on further. I don't know about the other caps, because I use Rem. Josh never said what he was using.

 

[Josh Smith]

Oops!

CCI.

Thanks folks. I modified the nipples to take these.

Thursday or so, the New Englander will be getting a musket nipple just because I feel it will look right on it -- after all, it's got a round barrel, shallow rifling, &c, and it just reminds me of a rifled musket.

By the time I use up the tins of #10 caps, the Kentucky will be ready for a new nipple, so I can decide what to do with that when the time comes.

Josh

 

[jaw69]

I sorry But you are incorrect the metal thickness is different I just took apart two #10 caps and two #11 caps the metal thickness is .0025 different on both using Rem caps Measured by me. :thumbsup:
Regard Jaw

 

[Pete Gaimari]

Ok, I think the CCI caps are the same length for #10 and #11.

So...never mind... :idunno: