Be careful out there.

[bob1961]

well i'm done venting maybe i'm wrong..............................................bob

like my last sentence said....sorry just got under my skin i guess....man does it hurt to even hear bout this happening...................................bob


P.S....and i hunt public land???

 

[SquirrelsaurusR]

...the common gun owner argument is that we can't let assault weapons go because they'll take everything else.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one. I happen to believe that if you give the anti's a little, they will continue to try taking more. Many anti's in high-level leadership positions have said that complete confiscation of every gun type is their ultimate goal. That's all I need to hear. I'm not about to give them a chance to prove it. Besides, I'm not just against banning semi-autos because of a fear of losing more. I'm against it because as an American citizen, it's my right to own one, and as a war veteran, I've damn sure earned my rights. No one can tell me otherwise.

Gun owners want zero regulations and anti-gunners want every firearm confiscated so there isn't much common ground for meaningful compromise.

That's not necessarily true. You're pigeonholing everyone into a position on one side or the other. There are some who see middle ground where the two sides can meet. I, for example, don't see a problem with a background check (for centerfires), because it prevents people with a criminal background or on a restraining order from walking into a gunshop and walking out with a new gun. That's just a common sense security precaution, in my opinion. But any more than that and you've gone from simple security precautions to infringing on people's rights. Many of the laws currently on the books go too far and do nothing to prevent crime.

PM me if you want to discuss further so we don't burn bandwidth.

LOL! That's an interesting way of putting it. Nah, I think I'm done. I've said my opinion and I don't see any point in continually rehashing it. I'll let someone else take a turn. ::

Molon Labe!

 

[roundball]

Kind of like how they view our Bill Of Rights:

"All we're asking is that you give up your 2nd ammendment...you'll still have other ammendments left"

When NC made Concealed Carry Permits possible, I went ahead and took the 2 day training class, had the 90 day background check completed, got my CCP, have had it 6-7 years...haven't carried a concealed weapon yet...have no intentions of doing so.

Why did I do it?...because I could, and I also wanted to become part of the statistical base that would prove the anti's wrong when they cried "there will be shootings in the streets like the wild, wild west".

Instead, gun related crimes have continued to decline for the past several years in those states where CCP became available.

 

[makanaut]

Id like to hear from some of our members in other countries. I want to know what perfect peace is like when there are heavy firearm regulations. Lets not pick and choose. The majority of pistols cannot be used for hunting. Ban them. Why in the world should anyone be aloud to purchase a pound of black powder? Lets just ban everything for the average subject since we are not responsible enough to own a weapon. Why hunt? The Government will feed and protect us.

 

[makanaut]

When NC made Concealed Carry Permits possible, I went ahead and took the 2 day training class, had the 90 day background check completed, got my CCP, have had it 6-7 years...haven't carried a concealed weapon yet...have no intentions of doing so.

Right on brother. Most of the people who choose not to own a firearm do not realize that they are still protected by that right.

 

...We'll just agree to disagree on this one. I happen to believe that if you give the anti's a little, they will continue to try taking more. Many anti's in high-level leadership positions have said that complete confiscation of every gun type is their ultimate goal. That's all I need to hear. I'm not about to give them a chance to prove it..

This is the current polarization I referred to as a result of the '68 bill. No negotiation is a good stance unless liberals claim the majority then they'll get a big stick and go to town (remember that the pendulum always swings). I say better to negotiate while you are in a postion of power for the good of the majority and lock down some sane, rational laws.

That's not necessarily true. You're pigeonholing everyone into a position on one side or the other. There are some who see middle ground where the two sides can meet. I, for example, don't see a problem with a background check (for centerfires), because it prevents people with a criminal background or on a restraining order from walking into a gunshop and walking out with a new gun. That's just a common sense security precaution, in my opinion. But any more than that and you've gone from simple security precautions to infringing on people's rights. Many of the laws currently on the books go too far and do nothing to prevent crime.

I grew up with guns as an integral part of my life and still derive a great deal of enjoyment from their use. All of my friends are gun owners and we are members of the NRA, but I have found that most gun owners actually do fall into the pigeon-hole of being totally on one side. It all comes back to the "all or nothing" premise. I agree with your "common sense precaution" for background checks but it incenses some people who believe they should have the right to walk into a shop and buy a gun with NO waiting period. That slope is no more slippery than discussing the banning of assault rifles.

I'm also done and will shutup on the subject. I do want to say that I extend prayers and sympathy for the families of the hunters who were shot or killed and I earnestly hope the killer is punished to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[roundball]

FWIW, as a concession so I'm not viewed as an "all or nothing" individual, I'm willing to agree to things like background checks, firearms training classes, etc...no different than a hunter safety class, no different than a driver's education class, etc...because I don't see them as actual "take aways"...so I don't put them in the same category as starting down a slippery slope.

I think the slippery slope is very real with "take aways" because once legislation is passed that restricts or "takes away" something, it then becomes the legal precedent as a basis to "take away" the next thing, etc

:imo:

 

[Keith]

:agree: The modest or sensible laws are generally already law. The trouble is enforcement. Often people aren't prosecuted for their crimes.

I see bob's points. If it was up to me I can think of several reasons no one would big game hunt with anything other than a single shot. However, there is a slippery slope to giving up any part of our rights.

I see people everyday, especially this time of year, I wouldn't trust with anything more dangerous than plastic silverware, but do we all sacrifices our rights because of the criminality and lack of judgement of others? Do we ban all cars that go faster than 55 because speed is a factor in many fatal accidents? I say no, but there are some truly screwed up people in the world. Everytime something like this happens I just have to wonder.

Enough, I could go on about how kids being raised leads to many of society's problems, and on, and on, but this isn't the place.

 

I want to know what perfect peace is like when there are heavy firearm regulations. Lets not pick and choose. The majority of pistols cannot be used for hunting. Ban them. Why in the world should anyone be aloud to purchase a pound of black powder? Lets just ban everything for the average subject since we are not responsible enough to own a weapon. Why hunt? The Government will feed and protect us.
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AHHH??MMMMM i think some of us have been there right here in the US.LMAO its not a peachy as it sounds
:crackup: :crackup:.
then one day after you have given up your arms they come and get you :shake:. you might think you live in an arm pit of a place now ,,,,,, you wait and see lol :youcrazy:

LMNAO sorry I know, i know, Captchee nock it of ,LOL i just couldnt help it :thumbsup:

 

[Griz]

"All we're asking is that you give up your 2nd ammendment...you'll still have other ammendments left"

And if we let them take away our second amendment, we will not have any way to enforce the rest of the amendments that are left. So, we may as well let them take them all. :shake: :shake: :shake:

 

[Rebel]

My thoughts exactly. It has come to the point where i ais't willing to give up much of anything in the way of rights any more. Slowly, they have been taking away 1 right and then another, just little things to get you used to it. Like seat belts, and helemts. It is time for people to stand up and say enough is enough, and ya ain't taking no more from us. If they don't do it soon though, it will probably be too late.

 

Too bad! 49% of our population wants to be subjugated and pampered by an almighty government that even wipes their derrier!

This will not change. Sadly, an overwhelming part of "citizens" feel very good being slaves of the government. We are in the state of dependency, and the politicos love it.

 

[Claude Mathis]

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