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don't know if this is the right spot or not, but thinking of getting into bead work for some thing to do this winter. plus to help with my left hand I got nerve damage in my fingers. so any help on where to start? looked on crazy crow looks like they got some stuff.
 
I'm hoping LaBonte chimes in with specifics, because he does about the best bead work I've ever seen. In my case, I just dove in. Never could find a book that told me all I wanted to know, but there are some pretty good short references on the web. Can't find them right now, but they're out there.

As for the specifics of thread and needle sizes and types in relation to bead size and backing material, your bead source should be able to help you pick. My ears will perk right up if LaBonte offers those specifics, too.

I'm still a stumbling duffer in my efforts, but having a heck of a good time. I sure encourage you in your curiosity and impulse to try it.
 
I can't remember which one, but one of the first editions of THE BOOK OF BUCKSKINNING has some great information and basic instructions on beading, by one of the best beaders in the country at the time!

Rick
 
Couple of queastions first and then I will offer some suggestions:
1) Are you interested in Eastern, Great Lakes, or Western beadwork?

2) Are you interested in pre-1840/1850 beadwork or later stuff?

I'll be back later......
 
Not sure if he has a site but Bud Baker used to sell a huge selection I think he called it Baker Bay beads or Baker beads
 
tg said:
Not sure if he has a site but Bud Baker used to sell a huge selection I think he called it Baker Bay beads or Baker beads

Baker Bay beads is right on!
They tend to set up shop at our local rondy's.

For TG.... we have one in hopewell 1st weekend Oct, see the fhbpb.com site!
 
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pre 1840. and western. my wife is lakota and I'm tlingit (from alaska) more into indian bead work.
 
Sorry to be slow responding:
I use mostly the Old Time Color beads from Crazy Crow. Most of my beadwork is pre-1850 so I use either 8/0 pound beads or 10/0 seed beads. Despite the oft quoted "fact" that seed beads were not used prior to 1850 in the west there is in fact plenty of evidence for seed beads also being available and used although pound beads were more often used. For some of the beaded "fringe" I also use some larger beads in 4-5mm size. When beginning doing beadwork or doing it on a budget there are also the less expensive Czech beads and by being selective with the colors you can get some nice looking work.

For special projects or repairs of original gear I also use some original 19th Century beads.
Sources:
Crazy Crow usually carries some www.beadmatch.com www.shipwreckbeads.com

For info on how-to bead - start with here” http://www.nativetech.org/glasbead/glasbead.html
I use the lane (aka lazy) stitch and the appliqué stitch - appliqué is mostly used for floral style typified by the Metis beadwork.
There are also a bunch of books and DVD’s on how-to bead and IMO it never hurts to read and compare as much as possible.

For info on pre-1840/1850 beadwork see the article in Book Of Buckskinning vol 7 by Allen Chronister - it's full of good info including a list of books that include original early western beadwork, most of which is not like the later beadwork patterns or colors so commonly seen. It also includes info on the different types of beading used, with some info on tribal styles.
For info on colors used pre-1840 also see the trade lists here: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/amm.html
Colors were more limited in the early days and the two most popular colors by far were various shades of medium to dark blue and shades of white - both chalk and gloss.

For backing leather I use only brain tan or the German Tan from Crazy Crow is also good and is cheaper, especially the seconds. With either type pre-stretch it and also use the firmer parts with the least stretch - some braintanners will do hides with a firmer less stretchy "body" on request.

Cloth was often used as well both as backing and as a decorative element. Blue and Red stroud were most common, but for backing the long legging and shoulder/arm strips for instance, hemp or linen canvas weight cloth was also used.
Also keep your smaller scraps of leather and sew them together with the baseball stitch - lots of old beadwork was done on such scrap.
When doing the lane stitch I lay my lines out with a red stitch marker or a red water soluble ink pen. Once I get the basic lay out is done I then use masking tape as a border stop along the edge.

For thread I often use the narrow imitation sinew and split it in two. I use this for two reason, strength and also so my work can not be pawned off as original work. For splay projects or on request I also use real sinew or silk thread in a button weight or a combination of the two. Cotton wrapped poly thread in button hole or carpet weight thread is another option. I've never used the Nymo beadwork thread so can't offer an opinion. Light weight linen or hemp thread can also be used but I've had strength/wear problems with it.

Using real sinew is a somewhat different process since the hard tip of the sinew is your "needle" and you use an awl ”“ I’d recommend to learn with thread first and then tackle that process.
For needles most folks use the sharps needles, but I found that the size seven CS Osborne harness needles work better for me. They are a bit longer and also last longer - you can order them here: http://www.campbell-bosworth.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/1_16/products_id/945
For sewing the leather together glover's needles are nice and I generally use 3 cord linen or similar weight hemp thread .

To see a bunch of beadwork online two of my favorite sites are although knowing what to look for as to time period will take some pre-knowledge : http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/databases/north
http://www.splendidheritage.com/nindex.html

Colin Taylor has published several books such as the Plains Indians, Yupika, and Buckskin and Beadwork that include several pre-1850 pieces.
Arts of Diplomacy ”“ a book on the L & C Expedition also has several early pieces.

Bottom line ”“ enjoy yourself and don’t be afraid to tear out and re-start if need be ”“ even after 50 years of beading I still do it. Also with the early beading styles and beads you won’t normally get the real flat and even look that later beadwork of the Rez period and later often shows. Looking at images of early beadwork will illustrate this and nobody is perfect anyway.

Hope that helps and I look forward to seeing some beadwork from ya’ll!

any questions ask away and I'll answer ASAP.

PS there are some examples published of NW Coast beadwork that often uses a combination of pound beads and dentalium shell beads.
 
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thanks for all the info! well I got a loom kit from egale feather trading post to start out with. I did a small 15 bead wide braclet for my wife it well I tried... looks ok she's happy. trying to figure out how to seow on some leather or cloth tie straps on it so she can wear it. any help there? figured it's a starting place and something fun to do this winter. oh it was a diemand pattern I used #10 seed beads. white blue red and oarnche.
 
LaBonte has some good info there.

From what you are saying, it sounds like you are doing bead weaving. I am one of those who likes it better over regular beading because I have trouble stitching into the leather with beading needles while I am beading.....just my own problem. I know it limits me in what I can do. Here is how I did the weaving onto leather. I just cut a piece of thin, pliable leather the size of the beaded band, then attached it by stitching the edges of the band to the leather. I was making a hat band for my "Hoss" western hat.
BeadedHatband.jpg

This is the loom I made from a design I found on the Internet. It was real easy to make, consisting of wood, screws to wind the warp threads around and a spring I found at Lowes to space the warp on the loom at both ends. I also made the one end movable for band length variations and it can be tightened down with a wing nut.

BeadWeavingLoom.jpg


All told though, whatever type of beading I am doing, I am slow.
:shake: :v
 
That's very nice looking work, no matter how you got it onto the hatband. For a project like that I would almost certainly have done it the same way simply for ease of maintaining the pattern and spacing. Irregularities would really show up on a band.

As for this:


deano said:
...I have trouble stitching into the leather with beading needles while I am beading.....just my own problem. I know it limits me in what I can do.

There are needles, and then there are needles. I had the same reaction to standard needles, but then I found miniature "glovers" needles intended for beading. What a boon!!!!! They have the very sharp triangular cutting points of full sized glovers needles and cut through soft temper leathers just as well. I still wouldn't use them on thick leather, but elk, deer and such are a breeze now. Crazy Crow lists them, though I bought the same brands and sizes from a local source.
 
yah thats it. I just did a few small peases with #10 beads looks ok still learning. I'm working on a loom simler to the one you made also. that way I can do bigger stuff.
 
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