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Hello All,

I'd like to begin casting my own round ball. Are there any books that you recommend to learn how to do this? What kind of pot and other equipment do you suggest?...I've seen several in the usual catalogs (TOTW, etc) but frankly don't know what I should be looking for. :hmm:
Lastly, where does one find pure lead for this casting?...I haven't seen any ingots at any of my BP shops that I frequent.

Thanks,
Hubertus
 
Hubertus:

Your apparently simple questions could launch miles of discussion. Here are my stones for the soup:

Book? The Lyman Black Powder Handbook talks about casting, as you might suspect from a leading manufacturer of both lead furnaces and bullet moulds. It also has handy reference ballistics charts. If I could have but one reference work, this probably would be it. It's a large paperback, likely available at Amazon and other such places.

Equipment? It all depends...

Do you plan to cast a little or a lot? Purely for the sake of argument, I'll set the dividing line there at 500 projectiles a year.

If it's a little, I'd say go cheap. That's Lee products, which are generally serviceable but not built for heavy production. If it's a lot, I'd say a Lyman or RCBS electric furnace with Lyman or NEI heavy-duty moulds.

Type of furnace? Dip or bottom-pour are your choices, and this is largely personal preference. I cast minies and .69 roundballs, and I prefer bottom-pour for several reasons. Although some folks have problems getting large-volume, quality projectiles out of bottom-pour pots, I do not.

Or, if you want to dip and be really parsimonious, you can put an iron pot on the kitchen stove and melt lead that way. If you do this, I hope to Heaven that your spouse is a saint, 'cause most of us would be pushing the envelope with a bayonet to try that... :confused: :cursing: :nono:

What do you want to spend?

Again, Lee products are inexpensive -- you can be in total casting business for less than a C-note -- but they'll have you mumbling under your breath if you use them much.

Where to get pure lead? Goooood luck. I go through 100 - 150 pounds a season. I patronize some folks in the N-SSA who buy it by the ton in 25-pound ingots from the smelter for resale. I also have a roofing contractor friend who, every month or so, leaves a couple 5-pound pieces of roof flashings on by back steps. Some guys tour scrap yards, or plumbing supply houses. It is, like happiness, where you find it.

Here's a handy Web site for lead market prices: http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical_large.html
Right now it's running about a third of what it cost the last time I bought big :cursing: . But then, the world's going you-know-where in a handbasket, so stock up with what you can.
 
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For someone starting out, I would reccomend the Lyman manuals: Black Powder Handbook, Bullet Casting Handbook, or Reloading Manual. As for equipment, I would say start with a Lee mould and dip melting pot. I have been casting with these for 20 years and have seen no need to update my equipment. Also, they are easy on the pocketbook. If you want, you can always upgrade with Lyman, RCBS, et al. Finally, you would be well advised to follow ALL safety precautions. They are there for a reason. Have fun.
 
Hubertus said:
Hello All,

where does one find pure lead for this casting?...I haven't seen any ingots at any of my BP shops that I frequent.

Thanks,
Hubertus

I get wheel weights free from tire shops but it's getting harder to do. Stick on weights are almost pure lead. Plenty soft enough for muzzleloaders. Clip ons are too hard and will come out of the mold oversize.
 
I use an electric single burner buffet range and a Lyman cast iron pot. I got the setup thirty years ago and it has done well.

As far as lead goes, the stick on wheel weights are good. I usually hit up roofers and salvage yards. The old lead flashing from roofs are excellent soft lead. Many roofers are glad to get rid of the stuff because they have to treat it as hazardous waste if they try to unload it themselves. In salvage yards, lead cable sheathing, old lead sewer pipe and lead pipe seals are all soft lead. The last batch of lead cable sheathing I got a couple of years ago ran 22 cents a pound. I got 200 pounds then and am still working on it.
 
All great advice above!
Always keep safety and ventilation on the front burner!
I would add to the list....
Find someone who is proficient in casting and learn from them. I have shown more than a handful of friends how to do this(be casting for 25+years and not in a small way!)
Once you get the basics down and are shown the steps and tricks, put in the time and develope YOUR OWN method and timing. We all do it pretty much the same way, but with our own little tricks!

The LEE products have yet to fail me and I do have a lot of higher end equipment also. Funny thing is, I keep going back to lee!

My finished product...If it doesnt come out of my mold and look just like the stuff you would buy from rcbs, hornady ect....I remelt it.
 
I get all my casting equiptment from F&M Reloading: http://www.fmreloading.com/ . They have the best prices around on Lee products. I use the Production Pot IV, the ingot mold, ladel, and double cavity round ball molds. Since they are so low priced, get a couple of Lee REAL molds and try them out. Been using Lee for over 25 years with no problem. For my lead, I go to a local recycler and buy sheet lead. Good luck and enjoy :thumbsup: .
 
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I am new to casting i started with a turkey fryer burner and a small cast iron pot i bought at a swap meet for a 1.50. For a dipper i used a large metal serving spoon that i bent to pour better.
Now i have a lee bottom pour pot i like it alot. You can cast for a few dollars or you can break the bank buying tools. Almost all my reloading tools are Lee i have yet to have problum with any of my Lee tools.

Mike
 
Hubertus,
Where you at in Michigan? If you're close enough, I can coach you along and front you some lead to get you started. I've got about a half ton sitting around the garage. PT me and we'll see what we can do to get you started.

Rick
 
Wow! a 1/2 ton of lead. I am only about 2,000 miles from you, could you drop some off on the West side of the Bear River? :rotf:
What are lead prices these days? I see where it has gone down? Does any one know the current price of "Dead Lead" and Wheel Weights? :confused:
 
I have been casting for over 25 years and Lee products have served me well. I have a Lee bottom pour melting pot, and most of my molds are Lee.
 
Frank/Pa said:
I have been casting for over 25 years and Lee products have served me well. I have a Lee bottom pour melting pot, and most of my molds are Lee.

Ditto on Lee products. I use a Lee Production Pot IV and all types of Lee molds.

The tools you need are simple. Melting pot, molds, spoon or lead ladle for skimming dross, heavy wood dowel or mallet for knocking the sprue plate, wax or other fluxing agent, and most importantly...lead.

Good soft lead can be found in many places. Roofing lead, telephone cable sheath, dental x-ray, plumbers lead...the list goes on. Several people sell lead on flea-bay at pretty good prices.

As mentioned, Sam Fadala covers bullet casting in pretty much every black powder book he has written.

HD
 
I use wheel weights but also found lead ingots at Ace Hardware (plumbing section). I learned from my grandfather with the pot and ladle he used for plumbing. As a plumber and a caster let me warn you that if you have soft hands you may want to wear welders gloves. If you get a drop on you dont try and wipe it off but dip your hand/arm in cold water to make it set then you can take it off. :nono: I agree whole heartily that you should find someone to help you when you start because things can happen and you do not have time to look it up in a book. :hmm: My opinions but I hope this helps. :2 PS These smilies are great I could write an entire entry with these things.
 
Lyman Book ( Read the safety section twice, long sleeve shirts,leather gloves and safety glasses plus good ventilation. Most important do not introduce moisture ,water and or sweat to the mix as they do not mix.) Any stove,hotplate, coleman , turkey fryer that will cook soup will melt lead,some faster then others. I render my ingots on the fryer and cast from my Lee bottom pour. Good used cast iron pot from Sallys,Lee mold and dipper and that will get you going. Old candles or broken crayons to flux ( love taking the grandkids out to eat, free (crayons) flux lol. Old roofing lead, scrap yards and if you know any phone guy"s old lead covered lead cable tear downs. Did I mention I work at a phone company and my son inlaw.grandkids , their kids etc etc and myself will not want for lead. :2
 
I agree 100% with all that everyone has mentioned, I have both Lee & Lyman molds & a cheap Lyman Mini Mag 110v furnace & a ladle to cast my bullets, balls & sinkers & they have served me for over 20 years.

I also agree with using Adhesive Wheel Weights because they are 98.5% pure lead & is soft enough for Cap & Ball pistols & Muzzle Loading rifles & pistols, you can scrounge the tire shops for all they have "I've been lucky in getting mine from the Dealership I work at for free" also talk to the supply guy that supplies the wheel weights o the shops sometimes you can find a cool guy that'll sell you the used adhesive wheel weights for pennies to a pound "I've done that too."

Safety gear is of importance.
Good sturdy leather gloves.
Long Sleve shirt of cotton or flanel.
Safety glasses.
Clean heat resistant work area.

When you start to cast your bullets/balls, be sure that you will not be distracted till you intend to stop for the day, accidents can occur but concentration on the work will make accidents almost nonexistent.
 
Many Thanks to all of your excellent advice. Now that I've moved to Virginia I'll be making new contacts at the local clubs/shops...and your point of having someone show me vs. self-study was well taken.

( :eek:ff ) BTW, I was told that the Northern Virginia area does not have a traditional muzzleloader shop, and I was so far unable to locate one. So, if any of you know of a good traditional shop in the Northern Virginia area, please let me know.

Regards,
Hubertus
 
Some one else may be able to point you in the right direction for the Fairfax, co. & sorounding areas, but in the Fredericksburg & Charlottesville areas there really isn't a shop that is geared more twords the traditional muzzleloader in mind but Clark Brothers in Warrenton, Virginia 1(540)439-8988 may have some supplies available & possibly could get most anything that you may need.

If you are willing to travel a little, the The Winchester Sutler, Inc. 1(540)888-3595 in ofcorse Winchester, Virginia supplies the N-SSA boys with all kinds of goods mostly related to Civil War Era but they do have real Black Powder & other supplies.
 
Hubertus said:
So, if any of you know of a good traditional shop in the Northern Virginia area, please let me know.

Regards,
Hubertus

If you're in Northern Virginia, you are indeed in luck. There's a darned fine contact point for you north of Winchester, just off Rt. 522 in Gainesboro. The Back Creek Gun Shop is a major powder supplier to the N-SSA and other bp shooters as well. Check him out. John Venskoske can put you in touch with whatever local aspect of bp you desire.
http://www.blackpowderva.com/
 
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