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So hear is a question for all you exsperts,what do you think is the best gauge for rabbits and grouse.Also what length of barrel would you go with for a decent pattern.I thankyou all in advance and hope your day is going well .
 
The short answer is whatever smooth bore you have. The next answer would a 20 gauge or something between there and 12 gauge. I have a 12 gauge double but in my old age have been lusting after a flint Fowler or trade gun, most likely in 20 gauge. I just saw Jim Kibler post that he will have one available this fall or a little later. I’m saving my mad money for one.
 
The best is the one you don’t own, but is owned by someone you know.
I’m sure Ogg and Opp about a million years ago argued if sinew or raw hide was the best for holding a a stone point on a stick.
Lots of folk go for big, some for small.
I would note most of the gentleman hunters in ML times tended to 28-16 bore, with around 20 being very common. And this was also the popular bore size for the fur trade.
 
For most rabbit and grouse shooting(in heavy cover) a 20, 16, or 12 with a well designed load of 1-1 1/8 ounces of 6-7 1/2 size shot with an open choke will work. IMO, more important then the particular quage is the weight, balance, and fit of the shotgun.
 
Question "best gauge for rabbits and grouse."
Question "Also what length of barrel would you go with for a decent pattern."

I will answer this string with "modern cartridge shotgun" experience and then transition to black powder.

Rabbits and grouse are very different game. When hunting them with my modern cartridge shotguns, I prefer a 20ga, but have also used 12 ga shotguns with shorter barrels and an open choke. Both rabbits and grouse are easy to kill, you don't need a lot of pellets to connect to make an ethical kill. I prefer 7 1/2 to 8 shot for grouse and 6 for rabbits.

Using my modern experiences, I then would make the following muzzleloading recommendations.

- Shot, I would use 7 1/2 for grouse and 6 for rabbits. High quality chilled shot.
- Both game, rabbits and grouse, are quick to flush. A well tuned lock, that sparks good and provides for a quick ignition is a must. A slow flintlock ignition will result in many a missed harvests as your shot will arrive after the quarry has passed your point of aim. You may get a shot at a stationary rabbit, but this never happens with grouse.
- A shorter barrel length translates into a quicker swinging firearm, which is a plus in hunting upland game, especially grouse.

Now taking the above facts. Do you want to only use a muzzleloader as a shotgun or do you want to also shoot roundball for deer?

Gauge recommendations:

- All purpose deer, grouse, rabbit I would prefer a .58 cal / 28 ga. Primary reason availability to factory roundballs. So I can practice practice practice.
- If I only want to use it for rabbits and grouse, a .62 cal / 20 ga. Unless I cast my own round balls. 20 ga wins out in my mind large shot load.

BUT THE KEY HERE IS PRACTICE - PRACTICE - PRACTICE, muzzleloaders on the fly is not as easy as you thing. Shoot lots of trap to learn the mechanics of muzzleloading shotguns.
 
Good summary, Paul.
I just bought a PA Fowler parts set from Jim Chambers, 20g smoothie. Of course it is the 44" (maybe 42" I forget) so in no way is it short. I will let you know how it shoots sometime next year!
BTW, Barbie showed me a 10g in the Chambers' safe, gorgeous firearm and she had a goose story to go with it. Again, not exactly short for upland game.
 
Good summary, Paul.
I just bought a PA Fowler parts set from Jim Chambers, 20g smoothie. Of course it is the 44" (maybe 42" I forget) so in no way is it short. I will let you know how it shoots sometime next year!
BTW, Barbie showed me a 10g in the Chambers' safe, gorgeous firearm and she had a goose story to go with it. Again, not exactly short for upland game.
Thank you, have hunted grouse over 25 years. Really enjoy them, but flintlock birds, just have not practiced enough with the muzzleloader. That ignition lag is a real game changer. I guess to get good with my fowler I would need to spend a whole summer shooting 20 or 25 clays a week. Just not that committed at this point in my life to hunt grouse with a muzzleloader, have gotten into deer hunting more (crossbow and flintlock). I used to use open choked 20 inch semiautos and 24 inch double barrel shotguns on grouse. With birdshot in my fowler I just could not get over a 50% hit ratio on clays. I know it was me and not the fowler. Just could not get the mechanics down, I have been an avid upland hunter for 40 years.
 
So hear is a question for all you exsperts,what do you think is the best gauge for rabbits and grouse.Also what length of barrel would you go with for a decent pattern.I thankyou all in advance and hope your day is going well .
Do not use a 16 gauge side-by-side with full choke. The last time I used my Grandfather's gun, the rabbit had no head. I reverted back to using a 12 gauge IMPROVED cylinder bore Feather Weight.
 
I do not own a muzzleloading smoothbore…yet. At one time I was a sponsored skeet shooter And often held a AA class. Had you told me I had to used 28 gauge in all events, I would have never felt like I missed a bird Because of it. I did use a .20 for pheasants because I wanted to use #6 shot and a 12 for western quail due to distance.

I think the preferred shot size and common distances shot would influence my decision. In addition the weight of the gun, if carried more than shot.
 
So hear is a question for all you exsperts,what do you think is the best gauge for rabbits and grouse.Also what length of barrel would you go with for a decent pattern.I thankyou all in advance and hope your day is going well .
For grouse... any gauge will do so long as you aim for the head in flight. As for rabbits,,, I never use a shotgun. My .36 TVM is deadly and the Kibler SMR .40 is going to used on bunnies as well.
 
Having hunted small game most of my life, I’ve used the same unmentionable Stevens 16 SxS and with 71/2 shot never had a problem.
I switched to hunting with BP about 15-12 years ago, my single shot .58 with #4 shot has gotten me some pretty delicious dinners.
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