Best Way to Clean a Patent Breech?

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joliver

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I have a Lyman GPR in .54 cal and have been cleaning the patent breech using a patch dipped in Hoppe's Black Powder Solvent wrapped around a 9mm bronze brush. After I get into the patent breech I rotate it a few times then pull it out. I continue to do this until the patches comes out clean.

Questions:

1. Is there a better method?

2. Should I do this before or after cleaning the rifled part of the bore?

joliver
 
IN addition to what you are doing, you might try using some carborator cleaner to remove the carbon deposits from the powder chamber. that can save you a lot of cleaning patches. You also want a 30-.35 caliber scraper to scrape the back of the chamber to get residue off it. Do that before using the brush, and the carborator cleaner, and you will shorten your cleaning time a bunch.

I would use it after cleaning the rifle portion of the barrel. You might as well use soap and water to remove as much as possible, before going to work on that chamber.

Do get some pipe cleaners. to clean the flash channel as part of your usual cleaning routine. Drop the nipple into a glass with some water and soap in it, while you do everything else. Then clean the bore with soap and tepid( skin temperature) water,then scrape the back of the powder chamber, then use that brush and patches to clean the powder chamber, then use the pipe cleaner to clean and dry the flash channel from the nipple to the powder chamber. I leave the flashchannel dry, but put a small drop of oil on the threads of the nipple after it is thorought cleaned( pipe cleaner works here) and all the burned on crud is removed from the outside of the nipple.The nipple is then screwed back on the bolster, the lockplate is wiped, the hammer cleaned of any residue, and the area of the barrel next to the nipple is also cleaned. Then I lube the barrel, ignoring the powder chamber. If is dry it is not likely to gather rust. Once the inside is cleaned and lubed, I wipe down the outside with a good solvent, like Hoppes No. 9, or Shooter's Choice. to remove dust, and fingerprints. I like to rub the barrel of my guns with a cleaning patch that is dipped in Wonderlube. It leaves a waxy coat to the metal which resists rusting, and stores well. I found that oil tends to evaporate and seems to gather dust faster than does the wonderlube, which was a big surprise.

I do remove the lockplate and clean the inside of the lock frequently, if not every time I shoot the gun, then everyother time. Moving parts get a drop of oil where two parts rub together. I then check all the screws to make sure none is backing out. Don't want to lose a screw inside the lock mortise, or in removing the lockplate for cleaning.

My objective in cleaning is to make sure the next time I pick the gun up to shoot it, all i have to do is remove the oil or lube from the barrel, dry it, and then proceed to load and fire the gun. All the mechanics can be trusted to work properly, are oiled appropriately, and will fire the gun. I don't want to have to stop to take the lock apart to check the screws, then, or oil the parts, then, or fiddle with any other part of the gun except the barrel. With a light coat of wonderlube during hunting season, I can skip removing the lube from the barrel and just go ahead and load the gun, as the stuff doesn't contaminate the powder, nor does it seem to run, or pool, or do anything else that would block the flame from the nipple getting to the powder charge. If I am hunting in below freezing temperatures, I remove the lube, and only use rubbing alcohol for cleaning the barrel, at home, at camp, and in the field, if necessary.
 
joliver said:
I have a Lyman GPR in .54 cal and have been cleaning the patent breech using a patch dipped in Hoppe's Black Powder Solvent wrapped around a 9mm bronze brush. After I get into the patent breech I rotate it a few times then pull it out. I continue to do this until the patches comes out clean.

Questions:

1. Is there a better method?

2. Should I do this before or after cleaning the rifled part of the bore?

joliver
Ditto Mike's comment for total cleanup...and at the range if there is particularly high humidity and I want to periodivally clean the P/B I use the same approach with a .270cal brush on a cleaning rod...dry and lube them the ame way...I always do it after patching the bore first, otherwise I might shove junk right back down there
 
I pretty much use the same method you do. I usually use the rifle's ramrod with a .270 brush threaded in the end. After I have run the cleaning patch down the barrel with the cleaning rod I take that patch and put it on the brush and run it around the breach. The same goes with the drying and lube patches. I have very rarely had a problem with the breach crudding up while shooting.

If you are worried about getting it clean using that method, use the one Mike mentioned. That is guaranteed to clean up everything. I do it about once a year on all of my hooked breach rifles.
 
I use a .35 caliber bore brush for my GPR's as recommended by Lyman. It fits just right in the breech. I squirt some BP cleaner in there and then twist the brush a few times. There really isn't a lot of buildup in the breech in my experience.

HD
 
Joliver:

I will go with everything Paul said.
I have also found that a musket worm (two prong worm - see TOTW) works very nicely to get a cleaning patch into the cupped end of the breech. Just add a little solvent and stuff the patch into the bore with the worm, run in down and turn it. Really gets in there, short worm arms (not a cork screw type) won't make it past the patch to scrape the breech either. Ditto on the scraper first.

Mike
 
PS:
If you clean your hooked breech barrel in a pail of hot soapy water after every use, don't waste your money on things like a breech face scraper as they are never needed...and if a Flintlock don't waste your money on a vent pick...same reason...not needed with a patent breech.

In addition to the ignition benefits of a patent breech, it also results in an extremely clean operation with none of the straight breech types of problems requiring scrapers and picks...for me personally, I wouldn't own a muzzleloader without a patent breech
 
A tow worm with tow shaped like a bullet will clean out any type of breech. No need for scrapers or anything else. Works like a champ.
 
roundball said:
PS:
If you clean your hooked breech barrel in a pail of hot soapy water after every use, don't waste your money on things like a breech face scraper as they are never needed...and if a Flintlock don't waste your money on a vent pick...same reason...not needed with a patent breech.

In addition to the ignition benefits of a patent breech, it also results in an extremely clean operation with none of the straight breech types of problems requiring scrapers and picks...for me personally, I wouldn't own a muzzleloader without a patent breech
Well of course not, T/C doesn't make one! :grin:
I do take exception the your claim of "ignition benefits" from patent breeches. I constantly see people with T/C and T/C clones having misfires and slight hangfires from their cap locks. This is entirely due to the very small diameter flash channel between nipple and powder chamber. With a conventional flat face breech plug and nipple drum the flash channel is both shorter and larger and can easily be made larger still so that even 2f powder or RS Pyrodex can flow right in under the nipple. T/C breeches are a very poor design in that respect and it is unfortunate that the Italian makers copied it. With the Italian makes one can at least redrill and open up the flash channel a bit, say from 8x32 to 10x32, not much but it helps. T/C has that stupid cutout under the bolster and I'd not attempt to enlarge the flash channel on a T/C because it is already paper thin.
 
Thanks to everybody for their recommendations--I really appreciate the help.

joliver
 
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