Black powder pistol a firearm?

[Zonie]

... This will be the first actual .36 Navy that I have owned.

I think you will be more than happy with it.

The size and shape of the Colt 1851 grip, coupled with the weight and length of the barrel just seems to all "come together" to make a pistol that balances "just right" and points almost automatically.

After holding and shooting the Colt 1851 it's easy to see why Hitchcock kept on using his long after they were considered obsolete by some.

 

[hawkeye2]

I fail to see any reason to have more than one cylinder. Load 6, shoot 6, load 6, shoot 6 or load 12, shoot 12, same amount of time involved either way and having one cylinder saves you $50 plus about another $30 for decent nipples for that cylinder. The max amount of time to remove, load, install and cap is about three minutes.The revolver individual matches I used to shoot were 20 minutes long and 10 shots plus any number of sighter shots you wanted to take. I was never even close to being crowded for time. The top shooters found the one chamber that was more accurate than the other five. They would shoot that chamber, remove the cylinder, load and fire and so on for the 10 shots with time left over.

 

[jamesthomas]

Well!, that was fast! I just received my pistol today! :hatsoff: Thumbs up to Cabelas for a fast delivery :thumbsup: , I have kinda checked it out and everything seems to be O.K. half and full cock lock up nice and smooth, no wiggle to the cylinder, beautiful wood grips (no gaps) :thumbsup: and a very nice 2lb. or so trigger pull. Ordered it on Sunday and even with Labor Day it took just 4 days. Now to measure the chambers and see if I need .375 or .380 round balls.

 

[Pete44ru]

I was just checking out Cabelas

Do they consider a black powder pistol a firearm?

No, they don't, but Cabela's may refuse to ship it to you, anyway.

I say that, because I have the experience of them doing that. :cursing:

It's perfectly legal under Federal Law, AND under the laws of my state to transfer a muzzleloader with not a care more than if it were a pair of sneakers - but Cabela's refused to ship it to me because (they claimed) it was forbidden in my state. :hmm:

They wouldn't hear it, when I told them that whoever researched my state was in error - so I :surrender: & bought/had shipped to me (from Bass Pro), the same C&B revolver that Cabela's refused to send, but it cost me $10 more than at Cabela's.

 

[Gee Dog]

Hey armakiller, I got a Pietta Rem .36 from Cabela’s in 2011. It’s been a great shooter. Bet you will enjoy your new one too. I hope you will post your observations after you have had it out for a session. Chunky built as a brick ”¦ you know what. It’s sort of ”˜over engineered’, I have heard it described. Holds some real powder safely with those thick walls between the cylinders. Has a unique sound on report I think. Some folks hear a difference in sound with the Pietta Rem .36 (as opposed to the ’51 and ’61) ”¦ a ”˜deeper’ tone. I hear it too. I tend to use mostly .380 in my thirty-sixes, especially on a particular ’61 that really needs them. My Rem does fine with either .375 or .380 but the larger ball prints just a little better.

I’m over in the People’s Republic of California and Cabela’s has sent me any number of C&B revolvers on that good ol’ brown truck. No problem.

And congratulations on the new one, glad it seems good.

 

[hawkeye2]

I had ordered my Navy and kind of let this thread slip by. I received the revolver in just a few days (2?) and was very pleased when I had wiped the grease off it. The fit of the metal parts is excellent and the finish is very nice by today's standards. The gun locks up tight, is timed well and the cylinder seems to be aligned with the barrel properly. It has a very small cylinder/barrel gap and a crisp trigger, no creep and under 4 pounds, haven't measured it yet. Right out of the box with no problems. I would have to say (again) that Pietta has come a long ways from what they used to be.

 

[jamesthomas]

Mine is very tight and crisp also, Btw, they are still on sale! :thumbsup: Might be a Christmas type sale, If they are still on sale next week I might get another one to balance out the gun belt, Friday I plan on making a nice $50.00 or so purchase from T.O.T.W. to get the ball rolling (Mold, wads nipples, wrench etc). Which nipples are the best for replacing the factory ones?. I also have a gun store in town that has some Goex 3fff in the cans for $25.99 a Lb, figure I'll pick up 4 or 5 Lbs.

 

[kh0456]

As far as nipples go, I use Slix Shot on both of my 1860 Armys. I have one Pietta and one Uberti. There are other after market nipples that Ive heard are good, but never used them. Slix Shot is like night and day from the factory ones.
I talked about them on another thread here: http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showpost.php?post/1504486/

you may want to shoot it as is for a while to see if you have any issues with it. I also took mine apart completely and polished all the internal parts. Makes a world of difference.

you can see the slix shot nipples here: http://cowboygunparts.com/cap-&-ball-nipples.html

 

[hawkeye2]

I finally found a few spare minutes to check out my new Pietta and came up with the following:

Trigger pull: 1 3/4 lbs.

Cyl./barrel gap: .006"

Cylinder end play: .006"

Trigger pull was measured with an RCBS manual gauge and is a little light. N-SSA minimum for a revolver is 2 lbs. and I would prefer a minimum of 3 lbs. for plinking. I doubt I'll ever shoot this in competition as I have a few that are much better suited so I'll shoot it as for a while and then work on increasing the trigger pull later. The hammer can't be pushed off the full cock notch so the gun is safe as is. I'll slug the bore and measure the chambers later and get back with that info too.

 

[jamesthomas]

How do you go about increasing the trigger pull? Filing the notch deeper perhaps?.

 

[hawkeye2]

Filing the notch deeper will only lengthen the trigger pull. The pull can be increased by bending the trigger portion of the trigger/bolt spring but that can lead to spring failure and these tend to break too often as it is. A simple way is to try different trigger/bolt springs and I have a few to choose from. With a little practice its possible to make these springs from music wire too. Of course you can change the angle of the notch and or the same on the nose of the sear but that is an easy way to screw up 2 parts and is not for the novice.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I have remade all off my revolvers' bolt/trigger springs out of wire.

 

[jamesthomas]

Now the pistols are on sale for $174.99!! :surrender: The 1858 with the 5 1/2 inch barrel is $219.99. Tough time to be broke!

 

[stuartg]

I'm interested in one of these pistols now...which one would anyone recommend? I'm a rifle guy, but interested in one of these.

 

[daniel collums]

i got my blue ridge rifle on sale, and sent with the free shipping but that was to mississippi.

 

[rodwha]

I'm quite happy with my TOTW nipples on my Ruger. They claimed to have the outside dimensions of the stock nipples with the interior dimensions of Tressos. And at $1 less per nipple it paid the shipping.

 

[AZbpBurner]

Several years ago I o4dered a .44 1858 Sheriff's model from Cabelas, which was backordered. Thy sent me a .36 model, which I decided it was intended I have one to shoot alongside my old Colt 1861. Meanwhile, I jumped on a reorder for the .44 while it was still on sale with either free or $5 shipping, and later decided to let Cabelas know of their screw-up. I got an immediate reply that they already had my order for the .44 and it would ship within the next 2-3 days.

Meanwhile, a .44 Sheriff's model appeared on my front porch. I took it out to shoot and was impressed with the accuracy.

A week later, another .44 Sheriff's model appeared. I checked my Credit Card & was only billed for one.

Cabelas told me that they couldn't accept return of the one I already fired, and apologised for the mistake, going back to the original .36 cal order, and told me to keep the extra .44 when I told them it would cost me too much to send it back (they never offered me a call tag) but they wanted to bill me for shipping for the 2nd one at their regular shipping rate. Somewhere around $20 later, I had a 2nd .44 cal Sheriff's Model.

I've gone on to order a Dragoon and a couple of other revolvers from them, and always receive them quickly.

One cavaet: always completely disassemble and clean any cap and ball revolver you buy factory new. I've only had a problem with one (the 'freebie') where it had poorly finished grips, and the bolt had a little tab left from stamping the part. It locked up the action and needed about 30 seconds of time with a Dremel stone to correct. Maybe this is why Cabela's didn't want it back & realized they sent me a defective one - I've never had any poor quality items from Cabela's ever since then.

 

[smoothshooter]

.375" ball for Pietta's.

.380" for Uberti's.

( Usually )

 

[smoothshooter]

Some states consider it a firearm.

So do some municipalities and urban counties, regardless of what federal or state law says.

 

[F.G. Ford]

Hi,
I'm Canadian, so what do I know?
From my experience in my travels in the great USA.
In most states cap & ball or even single shots are not considered weapons ( of mass destruction )
BUT the moment that ball, powder &caps are present, you have a handgun.
At that point on you are subject to the existing state laws regarding hand guns.
This in no way reflects on Cabelas' shipping and selling policies.
Fred