Black Powder Pyrodex mix

[bodiebill]

What is the danger if BP gets mixed in with Pyrodex?

 

[Kentuckywindage]

i used to load up 10 to 20gr 3f goex and then on top of that 80gr Pyrodex RS. No danger IMO.

 

[ohio ramrod]

It will work if you "mix as you load" use the black first then the pyrodex. But if you premix them they will tend to seperate due to the vibrations of handling your horn.Myself I would not bother I'd find another use for the pyrodex and just shot the black. But I realize getting black is getting to be more and more of a problem for those not able to order large quanities direct.

 

[Jblk]

If you are talking about a duplex load with BP under Pyrodex, it will work fine.Just remember to reduce the pyrodex by the amount of BP you use.If you are talking about the two powders mixed togather randomly, then throw the mix away and find some BP to use.

 

[Zoar]

You may get blowed up! :wink:

Just playing.

But, seriously, if the powders get "mixed" you have no idea how much you have of each and since they have very different load levels you are risking TOO much boom. And yes that could be bad.

 

[marwat06]

In what context are you asking? General interest or is there an application you are looking to use this mix powder for? Just mixing the powder is not the problem but how you use it. Example mix pyrodex and FF BP and load use 50 grains loads on a gun that can take 110 grains of 2F BP, no safety issues. I no see advantage in mixing powders but hey I tried it (the above) when I first started out.

 

[Zoar]

Good points.

If you are very low in the "mix" amount you put in then yeah your gun won't go boom. But for the life of me I can't figure out how putting in a mix of unknown ratio in a gun would be of value unless you are just shooting blanks or just shooting holes in paper at 10-20 yards and you don't care much about accuracy or repeating the load

 

[marwat06]

I was young (well in terms of M/Ling :grin: ) No value I see but just trying to answer a question. I know I asked a lot of questions when I was starting out and everyone on this forum answered them. Personally I just shoot the real stuff ... I like the smoke and smell ... and I get to play like I'm David Crockett or Daniel Boon ... :grin:

 

[Zoar]

Tagteam---I hear you. The sound and smell of real Black Powder is such a rush compared to the fake stuff. There is just no comparison.

Yeah, I like to play Scarecrow. :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[widget350]

I'm curious as to why you'd want to mix them? They're about the same price, and if you can get blackpowder, then why not use it exclusively? It seems like it would be much easier to work up ideal loads using only one form of powder than any sort of mixed powders. The only reason I can think of is if you already have some Pyrodex or BP and are trying to use up the one you're planning on not using any more.

 

[ozark57]

:barf: Pyrodex. WHY ????????????

 

[gmww]

:barf: Pyrodex. WHY ????????????

Unfortunately, BP is becoming scarce in parts of the country unless your willing to buy in bulk or pay a high hazmat price in shipping.

When I find it locally I buy it. But it is becoming harder and harder to find.

 

[marwat06]

Unfortunately, BP is becoming scarce in parts of the country unless your willing to buy in bulk or pay a high hazmat price in shipping.

When I find it locally I buy it. But it is becoming harder and harder to find.

On another Forum for Modern Centerfire Guns, we arranged a group buy for primers and powder and split the HazMat Fees among 12 people if I recall.

 

[Stumpkiller]

What is the danger if BP gets mixed in with Pyrodex?

The danger is Pyrodex produces oxygen as it burns. That "boosts" the black powder's explosive potential and increases the pressure. And Pyrodex may burn differently under the pressures of the black powder explosion - it's a faster burn curve than just Pyrodex. 2 + 2 may = 6 in the case of mixing powder types.

Also why the Goex can has in big letters "DO NOT mix with other powders".

 

[Stumpkiller]

On another Forum for Modern Centerfire Guns, we arranged a group buy for primers and powder and split the HazMat Fees among 12 people if I recall.

And unfortunalely illegal in the U.S. as the ship-to person then becomes an unlicensed distributor of an explosive - blackpowder - and can be in deep doo-doo if caught.

 

[vern faulkner]

The result might be the same as if you mixed some Red Dot pistol powder with 700x High Score and loaded up some trap loads. Either the gun or you(or both) may spontaneously disassemble. Vern

 

[marwat06]

On another Forum for Modern Centerfire Guns, we arranged a group buy for primers and powder and split the HazMat Fees among 12 people if I recall.

And unfortunalely illegal in the U.S. as the ship-to person then becomes an unlicensed distributor of an explosive - blackpowder - and can be in deep doo-doo if caught.

Thanks for the correction. Funny I can take few commonly available products and make a much more energetic compound. Oh well.

 

[marwat06]

The result might be the same as if you mixed some Red Dot pistol powder with 700x High Score and loaded up some trap loads. Either the gun or you(or both) may spontaneously disassemble. Vern

One problem with the above statement. 700x is not design to be equivalent to Red Dot. Pyrodex is design to be equivalent to BP.

 

[vern faulkner]

then why the burn rates and the flash points so different?? Vern

 

[marwat06]

then why the burn rates and the flash points so different?? Vern

From the Hodgdon website:
"Pyrodex is lighter in weight than blackpowder and weighs only about 70% as much as blackpowder. However, because Pyrodex yields more energy per pound than does blackpowder, the same volume of Pyrodex gives similar performance to blackpowder. Pyrodex loads given in this manual for muzzleloading guns are measured by volume, not weight."