Black Powder Storage Box

[SOLANCO]

House was built 1950 with a concrete fallout shelter you get to by going down 6 steps from the basement. Figure it's ok down there.

 

[Doug Fay]

Not only sufficient, you would be better served by the wooden box for its superior fire properties. It has a long burn through time when exposed to flame on one side, retains its strength well, and it resist heat transfer through itself extremely well. That is probably why SAAMI and the ATF recommend it’s use for powder magazines.

SAAMI recommends 1-inch thick wooden box for powder storage. It is for smokeless but note in the personal use exception from the ATF black powder is classified as a flammable solid in the same classification as smokeless.
Per current ATF regulations, which you don’t have to follow with your personal use exception, bp would be stored in a type 4 magazine. Essentially a 1 inch wooden box with a few other minor improvements.

Nothing wrong with what you have to store powder in, it meets your first and third requirements but I would not expect much from it for your second requirement.

Actually, I think it would meet the second requirement. I held a propane torch to one side of one of the plates for a full two minutes, and it only got barely warm to the touch on the other side, with no loss of material on the hot side. But who knows? Like I said elsewhere, I was just having fun by seeing if I could build something better. However, I'll never know unless Togo volunteers his house for a full test

 

[Iceman]

Togo is nice but I don’t think he is that nice!

I have looked at that box before for organizing my collection of powders.
For any one thinking of purchasing it to organize their collection I am pretty sure the “Ammo Crate” version is the same box but tan instead of red and $15 cheaper.

 

[flconch53]

When I had my walk in shop the ATF required my magazine to be made of steel with a spark resistant liner. It also needed a locking lid withe 2 locks and to be painted red
Mine holds 50 lbs. I still have it. What state requires those silly markers for you car?

 

[lou puleff]

I have a fire king fire rated file cabinet I snagged from work man was it heavy !!

 

[Kentuckyjed]

I keep mine in an old wooden dynamite crate, if its good enough for dynamite then it's good for the holy black.

 

[lou puleff]

I keep mine in an old wooden dynamite crate, if its good enough for dynamite then it's good for the holy black.

Better than nothing !

 

[FishDFly]

Yeah, I agree, it is overkill. Originally, it was going to be just a wooden box, but then I wondered what would keep the heat out longer and be less strong if the powder did go off. Being a retired engineer, I was wondering if I could make something better ... just having fun.

Statistically, the chance of your house catching fie is very very low.

How many houses in your neighborhood have burned down in the last ten (10) years?

Some folks worry each day about the sun rising.

 

[Sir Boniface Harrison]

Here's mine, cunningly concealed in plain sight in my Whisky Lounge / Gun Room. Some of my pistols are likewise cunningly concealed.

 

[Sam squanch]

What's wrong with .50 cal metal ammo cans?

I'm not too worried about locking it up. It's not something a burglar will find too useful.

Until they make a pipe bomb and hurt someone. Or some kids get it, get hurt, and are center stage in a lawsuit. I keep hazardous stuff locked up anymore.

 

[Sam squanch]

Yup. Made mine when I lived in NY. Even made the window placards for the car.View attachment 373000

Just wear the low ex card around your neck on a gold chain. Then people can think you are a rapper ….

 

[wiscoaster]

Until they make a pipe bomb and hurt someone. Or some kids get it, get hurt, and are center stage in a lawsuit. I keep hazardous stuff locked up anymore.

No kids here and ammo cans never leave the basement (plus they'd have to furnish their own pipes). No, not too worried about that aspect. Someone breaks in to a locked residence and steals stuff and I haven't violated any laws, then my liability is zero. Wisconsin has no bogus "safe storage" laws that infringe upon my Second and Fourth Amendment rights.

 

[FishDFly]

Sounds like a good place to live, unlike New York.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

Wherever we live, store it how you see fit and own the responsibility.

 

[The Miner '49er]

Under the wife's side of the bed is another popular place to keep your powder.

@Omahkap'si Just a little bit off topic, but your funny reply reminded me of the CWP class that I took over 15 years ago. The instructor was telling us that as newly minted legal carriers we would probably feel strange carrying even though we would be legal. He asked "Where is the first place that most people carry their concealed guns?" One guy's arm immediately shot up and he replied, "Your mother in law's place!" The instructor wasn't ready for that one. BTW, Walmart is the answer.

 

[Sam squanch]

No kids here and ammo cans never leave the basement (plus they'd have to furnish their own pipes). No, not too worried about that aspect. Someone breaks in to a locked residence and steals stuff and I haven't violated any laws, then my liability is zero. Wisconsin has no bogus "safe storage" laws that infringe upon my Second and Fourth Amendment rights.

You can still be sued. You will probably win, but you will be out $ for your time and attorney.

 

[wiscoaster]

You can still be sued. You will probably win, but you will be out $ for your time and attorney.

No doubt. But there's limits to how much one allows the probability of such stuff to run their lives.

That being said, everything else is locked up. I suppose it's no great sacrifice to lock up the black powder as well.

 

[SDSmlf]

Former NYS resident here... In the spirit of ‘overkill’, below is a link to New York’s current regulations on ‘connection with the transportation, storage and sporting use of black powder in quantities of five pounds or less when such powder is used in antique firearms or weapons or replicas thereof’. Enjoy the read. You can’t make this kind of stuff up. KNOW and UNDERSTAND YOUR LOCAL LAWS. And remember to check for updates frequently to stay current (note this particular ‘provision’ was updated December 18, 2024). Section 39.12 - Special provisions relating to black powder, N.Y. Comp. Codes R. & Regs. tit. 12 § 39.12 | Casetext Search + Citator

 

[deerstalkert]

(d) Sporting use.(1) No person shall discharge firearms at, against or within 100 feet of a black powder storage box where such storage box contains five pounds or less of black powder.
Why anyone would continue to pay taxes to such an entity is beyond me.

 

[wiscoaster]

I suppose the NY laws don't apply if you're dealing with more than five pounds?!?! Guess again!! I'll bet there's a whole separate chapter of laws to cover that (if you've even allowed).