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Hi Y'all I fairly new to muzzleloading and was wondering if you can point me in the right direction. I own two muzzleloaders both percussion and have been shooting triple 7 in them. I've noticed that they foul quickly usually after the 4th shot I start noticing that the ball starts getting pretty tight in the bore. I was wondering if it because of the triple 7 and if I would get better results from blackpowder not a substitue. Currently I live in a place where blackpowder is hard to come by is there a online site that I can purchase a small amount so I don't have to purchase 25 lbs worth.

Thanks
 
You will experience the same issue with real black powder. The key is to swab the barrel with your personal favorite bp solvent (water, saliva, urine, Windex (with vinegar, not ammonia), T/C No. 13, Butch's Bore Shine, Ballistol, etc. etc. etc.) every second or third or fourth round or so. Some swab after every shot.

Graf & Sons will sell real bp by the single pound, but you pay a $20 hazmat fee plus $4.50 handling fee (Graf pays the shipping), so it becomes an economic issue. In other words, it can be done but you pay for it.
 
Grafs.com is a good place to buy smaller lots of BP. I usually buy from them 10 pounds at a time.

You might want to try 3f BP because it fouls less.

Your patch lube could be the reason you have trouble with fouling. I just gave Hoppes BP solvent and patch lube a try last week and I was able to shoot 15 shots without wiping the bore. The 15th shot loaded just as easy as the first and my rifle was shooting clover leafs all day.

HD
 
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I shoot Pyrodex RS (50 to 90 grains depending) and use the T/C prelubed patches. I shoot a T/C Hawken, Renegade, and a Grey Hawk. With ALL of them I can shoot 7 to 10 rounds EASY w/out a clean patch. In fact the only reason I run a clean patch is cuz yer "supposed" to from time to time BUT the point is its not NEEDED with this combo in these guns for me.
 
I'v never shot 777 but usualy with bp if your gun gets hard to load after just a few shots you either dont hav enough lube or your ball/patch combo is too lose. I dont see the need to swab between shots unless your in a shootin match,i hav shot 50-60 shots in a row before without cleaning.
 
I've tried 777 and it seemed to create hard fouling that was a pain to clean. So much for cleaning with nothing but water. Anyway, real black powder fouls too, but it's a lot softer and easier to clean. I don't normally swab the bore if I'm just plinking but if the ball gets hard to start, it's time. Hoppe's black powder lube and solvent not only makes a good patch lube, but it's really good for swabbing out fouling between shots. I haven't tried it with 777 yet, but I used to use it exclusively before I switched to Ballistol.
 
You can order black powder in 5 pound lots from either Grafs or Powder Inc.. You can find their addresses in the Articles - Charts - Links section.

I'm not all that familiar with 777 but Plink mentioned the hard fouling problem I have heard from other people. You didn't mention what you were using for patch lube. If you are using a grease lube like WonderLube you may want to switch to something wet like Hoppe's, windex or even spit.

One thing that has made a big difference in fouling buildup for me is switching to Balistol to lube and protect the bore. Before that I used regular gun oil or motor oil to protect the bore. Some of my rifles would only get five shots or so before gunking up. When I switched to Balistol all my rifles will shoot target loads all day without cleaning.
 
At the range have a seperate wipin stick and swab between each shot for the best accuracy. I use a moose snot recipe here from the forum. Followed by a dry patch.
 
Triple 7 is known for it's hard crud ring near the breach and swabbing between shots is usually necessary with a tight seating projectile. IMHO cleanup with real BP isn't any harder than 777 and the fouling, as said above, is softer and easier to swab out, if necessary at all. I have noticed that when I swab betwwen BP shots, it is a single pass of a wet then dry patch, wheras with the 777 you have to work the wet patch up and down near the breech to remove the crud ring.
 
I've been using bore butter as a lube. Is it something that I might have to consider changing?
 
Graf & sons, Powder, Inc., and the Maine Powder House are the three suppliers that come to immediate mind for buying black powder over the internet. There is a $20.00 Haz Mat fee added to any purchase, so that it just makes more sense, to find other flintlock shooters and split a case order. That reduces the total price per can of powder downward. A case contains 25 lbs. You can buy less, but the same $20.00 fee has to be applied to fewer pounds, meaing that each pound will cost you more. Check the Links section in the Member Resources section on the index page here. Then contact the suppliers and compare prices. You may be able to find someone close to you that will charge you a bit less for shipping. Some people can buy powder in bulk lots of 25 lbs. and save even more money. you have to supply your own containers when splitting a shipment up. YOu can legally have #50 lbs shipped to you with each shipment, and if you are a member of a black powder club, then that is the way to go.

The good news is that black powder is going to cost you less that that Triple 7 costs.

Oh, relative humidity has a lot to do with how much crud sticks in your barrel. In dry winter months, or up in the high plains and mountains, where the relative humidity is very low, you have to clean between shots, or the crud builds. It really isn't different if you use a substitute powder or Black Powder on that issue.

Look at this way: If you are going to shoot, and hunt with a single shot, muzzle loading rifle, you are not likely to get a second shot off at any game. You therefore have chosen consciously to " Handicap " your hunting experience to find out how it felt to be a hunter back when this was the best technology available. Forget about repeating rifles. For get about fast second shots. In this context, calling any second shot, no matter what safety corners you cut to load the powder and ball faster, is anything but FAST! Take your time, wait for the right shot, pass on the poor shots no matter how many hours are left in the season, and make accurate shooting your prime goal as a BP hunter. When you do bag game, the pleasure you experience will be immensely more satisfying than if you do as so many other men seem to want to do, and that is to cheat themselves of this experience by cutting all kinds of corners, from shooting zip guns, to loading NON-black powder propellants, to using plastic wads and copper jacketed pistol bullets. It might technically be a MLer, but its not the same experience. There is a lot of information here for anyone willing to read to find out how to be a fine marksman shooting any traditional side lock percussion or flintlock rifle or shotgun. There is just no excuse for cutting corners. You only endanger yourself, and the people around you. Last time I checked, there were very few people hunting with strangers. :hmm:
 
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