Here's another little gun I got yesterday at the auction. it's English made and in .45 cal. Cute little thing and in pretty good shape for its age.
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An interesting conversion from flint.
I've never seen one quite like it.
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Was that the thorn hill auction in Troy?
Yes, there were over 200 guns at the auction but only 4 muzzleloaders I bought all 4.
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Come now, isn’t that a little greedy? Buying all 4 and not letting someone else have some muzzleloader joy! ;-) okay, it is a cool piece!! It almost looks thier is a weld/barrel patch on the bottom of the barrel?
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The spot on the bottom of the barrel looks like the remnant of a stud for a barrel wrench to take off the screw barrel.
Actually, there was one other person bidding against me and I think I just had more coin than him.
I spent a total of 1900 on all four guns and the Metropolitan revolver is worth more than I spent on all of the guns.
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I only see proof of one gun!;-)
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Well don’t be a hold out what else did you get! I was wanting to go to that auction but got busy doing other stuff glad it worked out for you!
The others are in different treats here on the forum.
I'll go ahead and post the others here also. The third one is in pieces for cleaning.
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Why assume that? It is more likely to be an original percussion built for "top hat" caps, using older castings. The "steel" is used to ensure that the cap stays in situ.
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Absolutely correct.
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I don't believe so. I've seen examples of these in some books & the extension that "looks" like a frizzen is there to protect the cap from coming off when the gun is pulled from pocket or boot. At least that's what the author said.
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A few more at holts London auction
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 450: A PAIR OF 36-BORE FLINTLOCK BELT-PISTOLS WITH SPRUNG BAYONETS, UNSIGNED, no visible serial numbers, | £1000 - 1200 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 451: AN 80-BORE FLINTLOCK RIFLED CANNON-BARRELLED POCKET-PISTOL, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 452: A 28-BORE BRASS-BARRELLED BLUNDERBUSS PISTOL, SIGNATURE OBSCURED, no visible serial number, | £250 - 350 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 453:TOWER ARMOURIES, LONDON A .650 FLINTLOCK COASTGUARD or CONSTABULARY PISTOL, no visible serial number, | £200 - 300 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 454: AN 80-BORE FLINTLOCK RIFLED CANNON-BARRELLED POCKET-PISTOL WITH GILDED MOUNTS, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 455:ANGLIN, CO. WEXFORD A SCARCE 40-BORE FLINTLOCK POCKET-PISTOL, MODEL 'QUEEN ANNE', no visible serial number, | £800 - 1200 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 456: A 46-BORE FLINTLOCK POCKET-PISTOL, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 457:TOWER ARMOURIES, LONDON A .700 FLINTLOCK PISTOL, MODEL 'HEAVY DRAGOON TYPE', no visible serial number, | £200 - 300 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 458: A BRASS-BODIED FLINTLOCK CANNON-IGNITER, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £500 - 700 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 459: A .650 FLINTLOCK PISTOL SIGNED 'DUBLIN CASTLE', no visible serial number, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 460: A 60-BORE FLINTLOCK POCKET-PISTOL WITH BLUE AND GILT BARREL AND WHITE METAL FURNITURE, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £500 - 700 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 461: A PAIR OF .650 FLINTLOCK HEAVY OVERCOAT-PISTOLS SIGNED NOCK, LONDON, no visible serial numbers, | £1000 - 1500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 462:TOWER ARMOURIES, LONDON A .650 FLINTLOCK SERVICE-PISTOL, MODEL 'NEW LAND PATTERN', no visible serial number, | £800 - 1000 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 463: A 60-BORE FLINTLOCK ALL-BRASS TAP-ACTION OVER-UNDER PISTOL, UNSIGNED, no visible serial number, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 464: A PAIR OF 36-BORE FLINTLOCK BOXLOCK POCKET-PISTOLS, UNSIGNED, no visible serial numbers, | £300 - 500 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 465:HARPUR, DUBLIN A RARE PAIR OF 50-BORE FLINTLOCK DOUBLE-BARRELLED PISTOLS WITH SILVER DECORATION, no visible serial numbers, | £3000 - 5000 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 466: P. BOND, LONDON A 22-BORE FLINTLOCK DUELLING-PISTOL, no visible serial number, | £700 - 900 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 497: E. BOND, LONDON A GOOD CASED PAIR OF .650 FLINTLOCK OFFICER'S PISTOLS, no visible serial numbers, | £4000 - 6000 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 498:THOMAS, LONDON A CASED PAIR OF 28-BORE FLINTLOCK BOXLOCK HOLSTER-PISTOLS, no visible serial numbers, | £2000 - 3000 |
| 21 Mar 2022 | ||
| Lot 499:HANSON, DONCASTER A CASED .650 FLINTLOCK 'MAN-STOPPER' OVERCOAT PISTOL, no visible serial number, | £350 - 600 |
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I tend to agree with this assessment. Here are a few photos of the device in question.
Old Hawkeye posted:
I've seen examples of these in some books & the extension that "looks" like a frizzen is there to protect the cap from coming off when the gun is pulled from pocket or boot.
Does the not-frizzen cover the cap, and then get knocked out of the way by the hammer, like an actual frizzen?
I've seen examples of these in some books & the extension that "looks" like a frizzen is there to protect the cap from coming off when the gun is pulled from pocket or boot.
Does the not-frizzen cover the cap, and then get knocked out of the way by the hammer, like an actual frizzen?
No, the top hat caps are much like musket caps and had wings. The device that looks like a frizzen comes down around the cap and holds it in place, the cap sits above the ring and stays in place when the hammer strikes.
Thanks. That's a great idea that would be useful today! I wonder why it wasn't copied more?
