bought a Cabelas 1860 Army

[fredrader]

I got it for $150 today at a local show.It has the "BLING" thing going on but it looks kinda cool.It is Nickle and gold ..It is unfired and came in the original box etc but it didn't have a manual with it..I tried to find a manual on line for it but no luck..Anyone know where I can find a manual for it?
I have a front stuffer but this is my first revolver so I have some learning to do before I shoot it..Thanks

 

[Chilidog]

Nice looking piece, but she's not a 1860 Army she's looking like a 1851 Navy.

 

[OLDPUPPYMAX]

A pretty revolver and quite a bargain. Cabelas have them listed for $319. You might load with .451 ball and up to 35 grains of bp. Thirty would be better and give you a longer cylinder life. Cabelas also has pre-lubed pistol wads you might look into. My guess is this is a Pietta so #11 caps should be right for the 6X.75 nipples.

 

[Rebel]

Yep, it's a'51 Navy. But still a real good deal. Cabelas has them listed now for $339.99. Good going. :thumbsup:

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Hey Fred!

A friend on mine has the same revolver. He hangs his up on the wall. He shot it a couple of times and said that it was a little too hard to clean cause of all of the fancy work done to it. Now it never sees the range.

Definitely a '51 Navy, by Pietta I think. That is unless the box says Uberti :idunno: .

If it's a .44 cal then 30 grains should do it well! Wonder-wads are the way to go. Do you have a pistol loading stand yet?? Reason that I ask is that I wouldn't want to see you drop that shiny new gun while you trying to load it.

Do a search of some of the pistol posts and you'll be "up to speed" in no time!

Dave

 

[fredrader]

Thanks guys,It doesn't say anything on the box..The guy I bought it from must not have known what it was either(Like Me)..
It has Limited Edition 1 of 2000 on the top of the Brl and it has F.LLIPIETTA-Made in Italy on the side of the Brl..
I figured it would be a pain to clean being nickel and gold..
I will pick up some wads and balls for it and try the 30g (Or Less)Goex FFFG and see what it does after I do some searching for a manual so I can disassemble/assemble the thing..I made a loading stand for my muzzleloader pistol so it may work for this one too..(I hope)..Thanks

 

[Rebel]

Here is an article on how to disassemble it.

Dismounting Post-1850 Colt Revolvers

Basic:

1. Place unloaded revolver on half cock
2. Push Barrel Wedge to the left. It will either stop against the retaining screw or come all the way out. This varies.
3 pull barrel assembly off the frame and cylinder off the arbor.
4. Unscrew nipples for cleaning.

Complete:

1. Remove back strap section of the grip frame. Screws are on either side of the hammer and on the bottom of the grip frame assembly.
2. Loosen and/or remove the main spring;
3. Remove front of grip frame/trigger guard - three screws.
4. Remove Trigger bolt spring now visible in the bottom of the action.
5. Remove cylinder bolt and then trigger held by identical screws.
6. Remove hammer screw and then hammer and hand assembly through the bottom of the frame.
Remounting:

1. Replace hammer and hand first being careful not to compress or overstress the hand spring'
2. Replace locking bolt. It is necessary for the split "ears" on the rear of the hand to ride in front of the cam on the right side of the hammer. This is best accomplished by placing the hammer in its lowered (forward ) position. The outside "ear" presses against the inside of the frame while the active side presses against the hammer in front of the hammer cam.
3. Replace Trigger. This is easiest with the hammer pulled back.
4. Replace trigger /bolt spring being sure that the long "finger" is on the step on the front of the trigger. Some springs appear to be too short to replace. In this case, index the long "finger"/leaf of the spring against the step on the trigger and press down so that it will stretch out and allow replacement of the screw.
5. Replace front porton of grip frame and the main spring. It is often best to leave some slack in the screws-including the mainspring screw- until everything is in position. then tighten all screws.
6. Replace grip and back strap of grip frame. This may require loosening the screws of the front portion of the grip frame just to get all the screws lined up.

In principal: Avoid overtightening the screws and the nipples. It's easier to tighten them often than to watch one crumble before your eyes because it's frozen in place.

Frequently, the Italian assembler will set at least one of the screws in place under massive impact. Your Job- have the best fitting screwdriver possible on hand ;and, Figure out which screw it is.

 

[Rebel]

And here is a schematic of the gun.
http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=66&cat=Pietta+1851+Navy

 

[fredrader]

Thanks guys,Now I can get the Balls,Wads and #10 caps and I should be good to go.. :thumbsup:
Oh,is this model all steel or is there brass under the nickle?

 

[Rebel]

Actually it my need #11 caps. I have a new .44 cal Cabelas Pietta and it takes #11's. You might want to try them first. If they are too loose you can always pinch them a little to make them fit. If you get 10's and they are too tight you are out of luck.

 

[fredrader]

I stuck a #11 on one of the nipples and it seemed to fit fine,I had to use my fingernail to pry it off so it looks like #11 caps will work..

 

[Rebel]

Now get ya some .454 rd balls and some wonder wads or Cream Of Wheat and you should be set. I have heard that those are nickle plated brass frames and not steel, so you might need to keep the loads down to under 30 grs of powder. Powder, either a Wad or C.O.W. and a .454 ball with a dab of grease over it, a cap and fire. Have fun.

 

[Rebel]

Sent you a PM with more reading.

 

[fredrader]

Thanks Rebel,I really appreciate all the help.. :bow:

 

[Rebel]

Your welcome.Hope you have a blast with it. :grin:

 

[madcratebuilder]

You have a commemorative revolver that well diminish in value if fired. You may consider selling it and buying a nickle or blued Colt. That gold well wear off rather easily. You could potentially double your money and end up with a near free revolver.

 

[Robert an saa fan]

Thanks guys,... ... :thumbsup:
Oh,is this model all steel or is there brass under the nickle?

Very high probability your revolver is brass frame. Suggest you check frame with a magnet.

As madcratebuilder suggested it might be better to sell the gun rather than fire it.

Either way; have fun. :thumbsup:

 

[Tinker2]

Thanks guys,... ... :thumbsup:
Oh,is this model all steel or is there brass under the nickle?

Very high probability your revolver is brass frame. Suggest you check frame with a magnet.

As madcratebuilder suggested it might be better to sell the gun rather than fire it.

Either way; have fun. :thumbsup:

I don’t think that a .44 caliber 1851 navy has ever, At least not a production gun, been made with a steel frame.

Anyway, still a nice buy.


Tinker2

 

[Rebel]

Pietta makes a steel framed .44 Navy and Cabelas sells them.They call it The Civilian model.

 

[Tinker2]

Pietta makes a steel framed .44 Navy and Cabelas sells them.They call it The Civilian model.

Rebel

Thanks, I did not know that. I keep learning things on this forum.


Thanks again
Tinker2