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First off, I realize no two Muzzleloader's are the same and that what one likes the other might not when it comes to working up a specific load. Each one has its own personality.

With that being acknowledged, my question would be, What do you use for a powder charge for both at the range and finally when hunting with your .54?

I know that some use the same for both while others use different charges depending on wether their punching paper or hunting. What do you like for both?

Respectfully, Cowboy :hatsoff:
 
100 grains of FFG Wano 0.018 pillow ticking with wonder lube or 450gn home cast Lyman great Plains bullet.

Both deadly loads on the range and in the field. I love sharing smoke with centrefire shooters.
 
I shoot 70 grns ffg Goex for paper & steel targets.With this load I use pillow ticking and spit for lube. Then I bump it to 100 grns ffg Goex for hunting load.Using the same pillow ticking patch but EVOO for lube. I will shoot both cut at the muzzle patches as well as patches I pre-cut from the ticking with a heavy hole punch.

This is out of my 42" Colerain barrel rifle. :thumbsup:
 
I shoot 70 grains of 3Fg, launching a .530 round ball, patched with pillow ticking from a 38", swamped, Colerain barrel. When hunting I use a patch that is lubed on the side that touches the interior walls of the barrel.

I use the same load whether targets or hunting. Adding 10 (or even more) grains of powder will change my point of impact, and while at say 30 yards the change may be minimal, at 100 yards it would be significant if I went from say 70 to 90 or 100 grains. So my practicing with a "target load" would really not be training for hunting, if I upped the load when hunting.

At closer range of say 40 yards or less, using a larger powder charge will only give me a tiny change in POI, but it doesn't enhance harvesting the deer, since at that close range my standard load has much more than the necessary energy to harvest a deer. Once that bullet exits the animal, if it goes 5 yards or 150 yards beyond before falling to the earth, it's irrelevant, the damage to the animal is done.

My rifle is sighted in to 100 yards, and I have also noted the POI at various ranges in between. I have also harvested deer at the 100 yard mark, and the ball went through the deer, broadside at that range, so no reason to not trust it.

I looked at it this way when I first started shooting with this rifle. Would I trust a rifle using the .45-70 cartridge having 70 grains of black powder and a 450 grain lead bullet to take a deer at 100 yards or less? [All other factors being equal]. My answer was yes. So why would I not trust the larger diameter, 225 grain .530 round ball launched with 70 grains of powder, out to the same range? While it's half the weight of the bullet in the modern cartridge, it will also be moving at a higher velocity, and should be very close to balancing out for the lesser mass, even with its poorer ballistic characteristics. This was my theory.

So far it has proved correct, and since the vast majority of my shots have been well under 100 yards, there is no cause for concern at all.

There is also the school of thought that one should have a powder measure that is 1/2 that of the hunting load, and should use a single measure of powder for targets (or small game) while using two measures of powder when hunting deer. So in my case I should have a 35 grain measure and simply dump two loads of powder when deer hunting. While that is frugal on powder, I don't see it as an advantage when target shooting. I was taught that one trains as one would apply the rifle in a real scenario. It's not just about punching a nice hole in the paper where you aimed, but also about being accustomed to the recoil that will be felt. I also have observed that my load has no trouble harvesting the deer nor do I have a huge bruise on my shoulder when leaving the range. YET there are fellows at that black powder target range who insist on huge powder loads and heavy conical bullets while hunting in the same sort of terrain and the same sized animals which I hunt. These fellows leave the range, often not being able to raise one arm over their head due to the effect of recoil on their shoulder. I don't see what advantage they gain.

LD
 
I use 70 gr. of Goex 3f for the range with .018 pillow ticking. patch cut at the muzzle. No lube just spit patch. Don't hunt anymore. This is out of a Lyman Deerstalker with a 1:48 twist, and a short 26" barrel.

Also just added a Jonathan Browning Mountain Rifle in .54 to my collection but haven't had a chance to try her out yet ? I think it has a 30"barrel with a 1:66 twist. Still have to work up a load and dial her in.

Respectfully, Cowboy
 
All my range shooting is just practice for the real deal (Hunting) an my .54 likes 80 gn of FFg pushing a self cast .530 ball wrapped in a pillow tick bear greased patch :thumbsup: Very accurate an strong enough for the short range thickets that I hunt :thumbsup:
 
Cowboy said:
I know that some use the same for both
I be one of those, never made sense to me to change an accurate load.
75grn of T7 2f with a tight patched dry lubed 535 ball in a GM slow twist
70grns of T7 2f with a tight patched dry lubed 530 ball in a Lyman 1-48 twist.
Ball size was the key to finding the best load for both those barrels and a great example of how different 2 guns can be.
 
In the Pedersoli .54's I have had (still have my Rocky Mountain Hawken) they all did best with 90 gr of 2f, a .530 ball, and .015 oxyoke prelube patch. Those barrels ranged from 34" to 39" straight octagon in 1-65 twist.

For my Larry Williams Virginia with a Green Mountain Swamped 44" barrel with 1-70 twist the best accuracy came at 105 gr of 2F, a .530 ball, and .018 pillow tick patch lubed with Mink Oil.

I shoot the same at the range as hunting as ALL my shooting is for one purpose...to prepare for hunting.
 
I'm changing things around for the better.

90grs fffg goex, .016 ballistol dry lube patch, 535 Hornady weight checked.

I do the same for target.

Most casual shooting is done with my 45. I prefer paper target practice on my 54 more. The 45 get casual woods walk gong targets mostly. Therefore, I don't sweat all the powder the 54 takes
 
I only have one .54 and it shoots great with 50 gr. of 3F Goex, pillow ticking, .530 ball. 1:34 twist.

This is not my hunting gun so...




William Alexander
 
One rifle has the same Colerain Barrel as Loyalist Dave. 1/56 twist. Targets gets 70gr FFFg Goex, .530 cast ball, Drill patch, spit lube. Hunting loads go up to 90gr. and olive oil for lube.

Other .54 is a Pedersoli Mortimer. 1/65 twist. 85gr FFFg Goex for everything. .530 Ball, drill patch, spit for targets, olive oil for hunting.
 
My .54 is a US M1841 "Mississippi" rifle. I shoot a home cast .530" ball, 60 grains of 3F and a .016" ticking patch. This load is laser accurate and I'd not hesitate to use it on a deer.
 
I based my choice on the trajectory I wanted, then monkeyed around that vicinity until I found the most accurate combo. I have several 54's but they all shoot well and meet my trajectory goals in the vicinity of 90 grains of 3f or 100 grains of 2f.

The trajectory? Dead on at 75 yards and 4-5" low at 100 yards. That works out to just about dead on at 25 yards and an inch high at 50 yards. Goodenuff for this kid and the places I hunt.
 
I started off using 80 grains of FFFg when I was using Goex to push my .530" RB out of my .54 rifles, but have gone up to 90 grains now that my powder source has changed. And please don't ask as it is against forum rules for me to talk about my new source. My .54 smoothbore load is still 80 grains when shooting PRB.
 
There are many variables to consider when working up a load for any muzzleloading rifle. Bore size, rare of twist, patching material for round ball, powder type, lube for your bullet/patches. all of these things will affect accuracy and the type of powder you use and the best charge to use. Slower twists, say, 1-56 to 1-72 seem to do better with a patched round ball. Faster twists usually do better with conicals.These twists usually range from 1-20 to 1-38. A 1-48 is an in between twist that is supposed to do ok with round balls or conicals. I have a CVA Big Bore Mountain rifle that has a 1-66 twist that does best with 90gr FFG GOEX and a patched round ball. I also have a 54 cal green mountain barrel that is mounted on a T.C Stock with a 1-70 twist that does best with 70gr of FFFG Goex. Here is a formula that I use for starting loads using patched round balls and FFFG Goex only. Bore size X rate of twist X 2. his is for a starting load. I then adjust the load up or down for best accuracy.
 
I try to find the most accurate load and hunt with that. I do want it at least 70 grains and never had any problems finding a solid load above that level. I also never concern myself with getting the flattest trajectory I just sight in at 75 yards and find how much sight I need to hold up for 100/125 yards.

When target shooting I use the same best load and try to change 1 component at a time to see if I can make it better. I am a whitetail deer hunter who uses patched ball and limits range to 100 yards. Balls are for penetration not for massive energy transfer although I don't see them too deficient in that area either. I shoot for accuracy and bust shoulders.
 
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