I have a Browning mountain rifle in 50 cal. it is a fine shooter and very well made I have had it for about 14 years i have a friend who has one in 45 cal.they were also made with brass furniture.
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I used Goex FFFg for a couple years and think it's fantastic...a few months ago I got some Goex FFg for use in a .58cal rifle...didn't notice any difference in fouling from it compared to the FFFg, however, I do use natural lube 1000 for bore lube and patch lube, so that may keep it minimal regardless of granulation, dunno, but at any rate, I expected more fouling and didn't get any
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Yes - it should produce more fouling, but doesn't seem to. Instead of using 80 to 90gr. 3F in their .54's, the guys in the club I shoot with, invariably use 120gr. to 130gr. 2F with no fouling problems.
: I understand now that some people call Pyrodex and the other phony BP's, black powder. When I speak of BP I'm talking about real black powder- GOEX. I do not consider any of the smokeless substitutes to be black powder as some people seem to. My experience with the substitutes so far, shows they leave no fouling to speak of & I cannot understand how some people can have fouling problems with them.
: I understand now that some people call Pyrodex and the other phony BP's, black powder. When I speak of BP I'm talking about real black powder- GOEX. I do not consider any of the smokeless substitutes to be black powder as some people seem to. My experience with the substitutes so far, shows they leave no fouling to speak of & I cannot understand how some people can have fouling problems with them.
Daryl makes a good point about the New BP substitutes fouling.
I can shoot Pyro (in my percussion guns) all day and never have to wipe the bore between shots. Each new load goes down like the last one. (Easy).
The Pyro residue seems to be a little harder to clean out of the bore at the end of the day though when compared with Good ole Black Powder.
I can shoot Pyro (in my percussion guns) all day and never have to wipe the bore between shots. Each new load goes down like the last one. (Easy).
The Pyro residue seems to be a little harder to clean out of the bore at the end of the day though when compared with Good ole Black Powder.
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Daryl,s comments from Central BC. are right on the mark. I should have qualified my comments about wiping between shots. When I am at a match or testing at the range, I religiously wipe between each shot. A clean patch damp with Black Solve is stroked in the bore 3 times on one side and then 3 times on the other side. My interest is in obtaining
MAXIMUM ACCURACY by keeping the bore in a consistent condition from shot to shot. Hunting is a different situation, although if circumstances allow, I will wipe and DRY the bore with a 2nd clean patch. Barrel rifling styles make a difference when reloading a 2nd or 3rd shot without wiping the bore. Barrels cut with wide grooves and more narrow lands are easier to reload if not wiping between a 2nd or 3rd follow-up shot.
My 58 caliber unlimited class bench rifle with a 1-72 twist
requires a minimum charge of 180 grains of 2ff powder to shoot match winning group at 50 and 100 yards and up to 200 grains for the 200 yard event. This with a .575 diameter round ball of course. With this charge, a common nipple burns out in 10-20 rounds, therefore a sealed ignitor system is used instead.
Most of the flint-lock shooters I know use 40-45 caliber with 3fff powder for the faster ignition. I shoot mostly 50 caliber at the matches and hunting. At the matches, 3fff is used because it gives more consistent ignition and accuracy. particularly on a damp or rainy day. Top load in 50's is 80-85 grains of 3fff. For hunting, 80-100 grains of 2ff is used.
If I lived in country where game bigger than white-tail deer or wild hogs might be encountered, my caliber of choice would be nothing smaller than 58 caliber with a 1-70 or 1-72 rifling. The slower the rifling twist, the higher the velocity is reguired for accuracy. A big ball at 1700-2000 fps is a good killer. One of my shooting friends(now deceased) had a 62 caliber bench gun and it was impressive.It is a matter of record that the Hawkens brothers made on special order at least 2 62 caliber rifles, and the 58 caliber was not uncommon.
Best Regards, John L. Hinnant
Daryl,s comments from Central BC. are right on the mark. I should have qualified my comments about wiping between shots. When I am at a match or testing at the range, I religiously wipe between each shot. A clean patch damp with Black Solve is stroked in the bore 3 times on one side and then 3 times on the other side. My interest is in obtaining
MAXIMUM ACCURACY by keeping the bore in a consistent condition from shot to shot. Hunting is a different situation, although if circumstances allow, I will wipe and DRY the bore with a 2nd clean patch. Barrel rifling styles make a difference when reloading a 2nd or 3rd shot without wiping the bore. Barrels cut with wide grooves and more narrow lands are easier to reload if not wiping between a 2nd or 3rd follow-up shot.
My 58 caliber unlimited class bench rifle with a 1-72 twist
requires a minimum charge of 180 grains of 2ff powder to shoot match winning group at 50 and 100 yards and up to 200 grains for the 200 yard event. This with a .575 diameter round ball of course. With this charge, a common nipple burns out in 10-20 rounds, therefore a sealed ignitor system is used instead.
Most of the flint-lock shooters I know use 40-45 caliber with 3fff powder for the faster ignition. I shoot mostly 50 caliber at the matches and hunting. At the matches, 3fff is used because it gives more consistent ignition and accuracy. particularly on a damp or rainy day. Top load in 50's is 80-85 grains of 3fff. For hunting, 80-100 grains of 2ff is used.
If I lived in country where game bigger than white-tail deer or wild hogs might be encountered, my caliber of choice would be nothing smaller than 58 caliber with a 1-70 or 1-72 rifling. The slower the rifling twist, the higher the velocity is reguired for accuracy. A big ball at 1700-2000 fps is a good killer. One of my shooting friends(now deceased) had a 62 caliber bench gun and it was impressive.It is a matter of record that the Hawkens brothers made on special order at least 2 62 caliber rifles, and the 58 caliber was not uncommon.
Best Regards, John L. Hinnant
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