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rabbit03

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Alright if this has been covered (I am sure it has) then I don't know where to find it. I would like to know how far I have to take the metal finish down on my rifle parts to be able to brown them and not have any marks show through. I was hopeing that the small scratches I can see now will be covred up by the relatively thick rusting agent (Browning) when it is done. Right now I have fine filed some of the parts and then gone over them with emory cloth. However I can still see some of the filing marks after sanding.

Any help will be appreciated. I just received my new Jim Bridger Hawken kit from TOTW today and have started work on it already.

rabbit03
 
Hey Rabbit,
If you take strips one inch wide by eleven long of 400 grit emery paper ( the dark grey stuff ) you get at automotive paint supplies.
Wrap it around some metal flat stock, then polish the full length of each flat of the barrel, as the paper wears tear of a piece of the wrap.
After you are satisfied with the work, do it again with 600 grit paper. It will take about 20 minutes to do the barrel. You will be pleased with what you have.
Be careful not to round the flats.
Best Regards
Old Ford
 
If you polish too fine the browning solution has a hard time getting started. Some just draw file other polish to varying degrees but 320 is about as fine as you want to go. Much finer and the solution has a hard time starting.

Here you go. These are my detailed notes.

There are generally two ways to brown a barrel. The hot brown method and the cold brown method. Most prefer the cold brown though it takes longer. Each method can be performed a couple ways. Color is controlled by the amount of carding, the method of carding, temp and humidity, and number of applications.

Barrel preparation is the same no matter which way you intend to brown. Browning does not work well on highly polished surfaces. Draw filing to remove the milling marks and square up the corners is a must and is all that is really required. This will give a more textured finish. For a smoother brown polish to 320 grit with the paper backed with a hard object to maintain the sharp corners. A finer polish results in a longer browning process and may result in areas not taking the browning. Polish no finer than 320 for browning. Now you need to degrease the barrel. Once degreased, handle only with gloves. I use rubber exam gloves but any rubber glove will work. The key is not to transfer oils from your skin back onto the degreased barrel that will result in a spotty finish.

12 hour cycle Cold Browning: I have had good success using Danglers Brown, Wakegan Bay Brown, and Laruel Mountain Forge Browning solutions. The first two must be put on so the barrel is just damp. Any heavier and you will impart a copper color to the barrel due to the copper in the solution. The only fix is to remove the finish and start over. With the barrel prepped and all holes plugged with wooden dowels apply a light coat of solution to the barrel using a clean cotton cloth. You need only dampen the metal. Now set aside for 12 hours to rust. Depending on the temperature and relative humidity this first cycle may only result in a dull greenish color. If so, do not card the metal. Simply apply a second light coat of solution and set aside for another 12 hours. Once a light coating of orangish rust appears rub/buff/card it off using 0000 steel wool that has been run through the dishwasher or washed in acetone to remove the oils. Wipe with a cotton cloth and repeat the cycles for three to five days until desired texture and color is achieved. The heavier you card the smoother the texture. A darker color can be achieved earlier by carding with a piece of denim during the first rusting cycles until the rusting gets more aggressive when you will want to switch to steel wool. The 12 hour cycle is convenient because you can do this over the course of a week before and after work. The 12 hour cycle is more aggressive since the solution has had more time to work between carding cycles. If you know you will miss a carding cycle do not apply the solution prior. Enough solution will remain after the last carding to allow a slower less aggressive cycle for when you get back to it. Do not let it go more than 24 hours without carding and do not skip a carding cycle often as it will result in a very rough surface. It will not hurt anything to go as much as 14 or 15 hours between a carding cycle should something arise. Cold browning is very forgiving.

3 hour cycle Cold Browning: Everything is the same as the 12 hour cycle except you card every three hours. This can give you a nice brown in a day as opposed to 3 to five days. Desired color is often achieved after about 6 to 8 cycles. Again try not to skip carding cycles. Since the solution has less time to work between carding cycles the resultant surface texture will be much smoother.

Alternately you can use Dixels scratch wheel (order from Brownells)
 
The Rusting Box / Damp Box / Humidity Box

Depending on the time of the year or the humidity in your area it may be advantageous to build a rusting or humidity box to aid in browning barrels. In its simplest for m it is nothing more than a box with a lamp installed. It can be made very complex with thermostats to control temp as well as devices to precisely control humidity also. Fortunate for our purposes we can get by quite nicely with the simple box.

This box requires a couple 1X2 boards, a sheet if paneling or 1/8inch plywood, a dowel rod, lamp kit, and screws. The dimensions are 12 inches wide by 12 inches high by 48 inches long. With this box you can brown all but the longest of custom barrels. Use the 1X2’s to form the framework and screw the bottom and sides to the frame. Some only scrap or even plastic sheeting can be used for the ends (the whole box can also be enclosed with black plastic and simply set in the sun). The last piece forms a lid that can be made to set into the frame with the aide of 1X2’s set to the inside of the frame or you can use a hinge. Install the lamp kit in the left-right center of the box through a side-wall but below the up-down center. You want to be able to get the bulb in and not have it touch the bottom of the box but you also do not want it too close to the barrel. Use a 25-watt light bulb. Install two dowels over and to side of the light. Attach some aluminum foil across the dowels to diffuse the heat from the bulb to allow more even heating in the box. Aluminum cake pans with water or wet rags can be placed in the bottom of the box to either side of the bulb to provide moisture to raise the humidity. To more dowels should be hung just below the lid to support the barrel. Small 2X4 scrap can be affixed to the box or placed on the bottom to hold small parts. Adding either heat or moisture will speed up the rusting process and make the solution more aggressive. Applying both makes it even more so. By controlling which you add you can very the color and texture of the finish. It is also a good way to kick start the process.
 
Just a couple final bits of caution. When carding do not card the color off. You are only removing the loose scale. When applying the solution just damp is best. Apply too much solution and you get a copper buildup that must be removed before browning will take. After the first application you may see a greenish color rather than rust color. If so, DO NOT CARD at this point. Simply reapply solution and allow it to rust again. Carding with old denim works well too and gives more of a matt finish or allows the solution a faster start since it takes less off than steel wool. Steel wool has a preservative in it so it must be degreesed. You can use acetone for this.

Above all be patiant. It will take several cycles for everything to start blending together.
 
Old Ford thanks for the tip. It seems yall have stressed the point of keeping the corners in tact alot here so I will be watching that.

rabbit03
 
Hi 54 thanks also for all the info that is pretty much what I needed since I have never brwoned anything (well not intentionally) :)

Why does the denim make the finish more darker in color? I would assume that it is because your not carding as aggressively?

What about the green color? You specifically said DO NOT card when it is green. My guess is that it would be a guy mess if I did it then?

I am looking for a smooth mat finish and from what I have read here the sanding process is not as important as the rusting process and that after it is finished I won't even be able to see the sanding or filing marks. I wonder if one or the other method, hot or cold, has any advantages over the other? Once I put this finish on I don't want to have to mess with it again to touch it up or whatever in the future. One last thing I was wondering was do I have to rinse the barrel after the process is over in baking soda or something to stop the rusting or oil or something like that? Thanks for the info, sure appreciate it

rabbit03
 
Thanks BS that wooden box looks like someone has put alot of fore thought into it. I like the one of Tans also it is pretty simple and easy to construct. I would like to keep it simple right now and then find out how I like the browning on the rifle and if so then perhaps I can invest the time in building a nice one like that one. Thanks to you and everyone here.

rabbit03
 
When you card with the denim you are not carding as agressively so things seem to darken quicker. You will get more of a mat finish for the same reason. Carding with 0000 steel can achieve the same color as denim but it will take slightly longer since you are carding a little more agressively. If your barel is hard to start for whatever reason you will want to change from the steel wool to denim again for the same reason. Steel wool will normally produce a finer "grained" finish than denim when carding.

But all this is variable with the length of the rusting cycle and the amount of humidity. 12 hour rusting cycles exibit a rougher surface than the 3 hour cycle simply because the solution has had longer to act between carding cycles. Higher humidity makes a rougher surface as well.

Once you are done and have the color you want you will want to wash the barrel and other metal parts in the baking soda solution to neutralize the chemical reaction. My experience has been that using boiling water will darken the color as compared to warm or cold water. The color changes from light or medium brown to a dark brown. If you oil it first the hot water does not seem to darken things unless you boil it for several minutes.

The reason that you do not card if you only have the green color is that this is the first stage of rust formation and it is very fragile. Carding at this time will remove 100% of the finish. The solution is still trying to etch the surface of the metal to get its start. Either let it rust some more or slightly dampen the metal again and let it rust another cycle. When you get the redish or orange rust color start your carding. The finish has etched itself into the metal and is durable enough for carding. Carding should still be done lightly as you just want to remove the loose scale.

The Hot Brown provides a very smooth surface while the cold brown can runs from slightly textured to very textured. With either method the color blends better with the more applications you do.

Having done both hot browning and cold browning I much prefer the cold method. I find it easy, not labor intensive, it is very easy to correct scratches, and produces no toxic fumes.
 
54Noll thanks a lot for all the good info. Armed with this information I feel that I can now brown my barrel with confidence. This is a great post to come back to and brush up on the technique if you need to. I think everyone who needs to brown and are a little hesitent would bennefit from this post. Thanks again

rabbit03
 
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