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CaptainKirk

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I presently own 3 C&B pistols; 1851 Navy in .36, 1858 Remmy in .44 and 1860 Army in .44. I've always had a strong hankering for either a Walker or Dragoon, but wonder; is there much difference (other than weight...duh!) in performance, handling, etc? How is the recoil on the larger "horse pistols"? What about grouping, effective range, etc? I would appreciate hearing from anyone who owns one of these, especially those who shoot some of their younger brethren (such as my three) as to how they compare, and; was it worth the cost? Is the shooting experience different (i.e. "gotta have it"?)
FYI, I shoot my own 240gr reloads through my Ruger Super Blackhawk (ouch!) so I'm no newbie to recoil in a SA. Just wonder how the big fellers compare. :idunno:
 
Accuracy is going to be like any other. Depends on that particular gun, though usually decent. Recoil is minimal due to the weight of these guns. A Walker even with full house 60 gr loads is a pussy cat in recoil. They are loud though, and you can feel the concussion in the air and ground. They're fun.
 
I own both the Walker and the Dragoon. Here are some additional costs:

Special Walker/Dragoon nipple wrench about $20.

The Walker/Dragoon take the same nipples (different from 1858 Rem and 1860 Army).

May need to change to a .457 ball (my other .44s use a .451 or 454)

May want to use FFg instead of FFFg (this is a matter of debate, I use FFFg in all my revolvers)

Need large holsters( not as many options in Walker and Dragoon holsters)

The Walker and Dragoon are worth it in every respect. :)
 
You will use a great deal more powder in a "horse pistol", I shoot a 3rd mod. Dragoon and usually use at least 40 grains per shot. I cast my own balls but even so the hobby gets more costly as you go up in caliber. :thumbsup:
nilo52
 
My Walker at 45 grains Goex has less felt recoil than my 1858 Remmington new Army at 27 grains.

The Walkers weight seems to help the accuracy, dampens out the arm/wrist movements.
 
I second Wick's opinion :thumbsup: they're both a "gotta have it" sort of thing. I enjoy my Remmy, my '60 Army (both get 27 grains of 3Fg Goex), but nothing compares to the horse pistols! My Uberti Walker is capable of hitting a set of Scott Air Tanks at 135 yards with (3) rounds out of (5) loaded in a single cylinder's worth :shocked2: .

The Walker is only a few ounces heavier than the 3Rd Model Dragoon, but the extra 1.5 inches of sighting plane does help. After changing-out the old nipples, I put three rounds out of 10 into one ragged hole in the ten-ring at 25 yards, winning the local club's pistol competition, and that included single-shot pistols with adjustable sights. All of my revolvers are fed the .454 Hornady balls.

So like Wick said, they're a real BLAST! Nothing quite like a 52 grain rifle charge being ignited in a hand gun, and hitting DEEP in the black with it! :thumbsup:

You'll really enjoy one and be noticed at the range!


Dave
NRA Expert in ML Pistol
 
smokin .50 said:
My Uberti Walker is capable of hitting a set of Scott Air Tanks at 135 yards with (3) rounds out of (5) loaded in a single cylinder's worth :shocked2: .

GASP! 135 yards!!!! :shocked2:
That is some shootin' pilgrim!
I may have to get me one for real, now that you done told me that! :hmm:
But I have promised myself the next would be a flint pistol in .50....
'Course I could always tell myself..."I lied!" :wink:
 
I've owned a Uberti second model Dragoon for about 2 weeks now and am enjoying the heck out of it. I have shot loads ranging from 30 grains to 50 grains through it and recoil is very light. Not any more than my 1858 Remington. I finally settled on 45 grains of FFFg Goex and a .454 round ball as a hunting load. This is an old can of powder that belonged to my dad and must be 25 years old, but it is giving me 1060 fps at 5 yards from the chronograph! :shocked2: 50 grains only resulted in an increase of 10 fps and accuracy was noticeably less. The same 45 grain load with FFFg Schuetzen is only giving me a little over 800 fps :idunno:

My oldest two boys (4 and 7) are delighted with it and the oldest one can actually shoot it pretty well with the lighter charges. The weight of it bothers him way more than the recoil! Anyway, they wanted me to take them hunting with it and we hadn't been in the ladder stand for 30 minutes before a little yearling buck came along and offered me a broadside shot at 10 yards. The ball hit behind the shoulder and exited through the liver on the off side, hitting ribs going in and coming out. Deer went 30 yards and piled up. Needless to say, the boys were tickled! :grin:

To make a long story short .... I think everyone needs a horse pistol!

Rhett
 
RGriffith said:
I've owned a Uberti second model Dragoon for about 2 weeks now and am enjoying the heck out of it. I have shot loads ranging from 30 grains to 50 grains through it and recoil is very light. Not any more than my 1858 Remington. I finally settled on 45 grains of FFFg Goex and a .454 round ball as a hunting load. This is an old can of powder that belonged to my dad and must be 25 years old, but it is giving me 1060 fps at 5 yards from the chronograph! :shocked2: 50 grains only resulted in an increase of 10 fps and accuracy was noticeably less. The same 45 grain load with FFFg Schuetzen is only giving me a little over 800 fps :idunno:

My oldest two boys (4 and 7) are delighted with it and the oldest one can actually shoot it pretty well with the lighter charges. The weight of it bothers him way more than the recoil! Anyway, they wanted me to take them hunting with it and we hadn't been in the ladder stand for 30 minutes before a little yearling buck came along and offered me a broadside shot at 10 yards. The ball hit behind the shoulder and exited through the liver on the off side, hitting ribs going in and coming out. Deer went 30 yards and piled up. Needless to say, the boys were tickled! :grin:

To make a long story short .... I think everyone needs a horse pistol!

Rhett

I find the same 45 grain charge to be accurate enough to compete with, and I chrono'd the charge to the same speed out of my 3rd Model Dragoon! So that "old" powder is working just fine!

Congrats on the harvest! Glad to hear that the boys want to shoot! A real comical photo would be if they each were "packing heat" with a gun in the leather at the waist. A horse pistol would be almost as big as they are :haha: so make sure their pants don't fall down. What a keepsake that would be!

Thanks for sharing!

Dave
 
I own both a 2nd Model Dragoon (Uberti) and a Walker (ASM). I find the Dragoon to be a superior arm personally. Design wise it is in fact an improvement over the Walker, it is more manageable and considering how few Walkers were ever fielded, the Dragoon satisfies a greater historical interest. The Third Model seeing the largest production numbers of the series.

Holsters are not so hard to come by for the Dragoon. Fewer Walkers are believed to have been worn as belt pistols (though there is a very nice Dag. in "Packing Iron" showing a young fellow wearing one).
 
My Walker is just a little more accurate than the 3rd Model Dragoon, probably due to the longer sight picture (extra 1.5" of barrel). Both are made by Uberti. I have leather holsters worn at the waist for both. One is a Triple K and the other is from Cabela's and also fits the 7.5 inch barreled 1873 Colt SAA.

A 5'6" guy walking-around with 9 pounds of steel in the leather is a little comical in itself :haha: . Until the Walker barks its 52 grain charge of 3Fg that is, and the rounds land where they have to go :shocked2: :haha: . Takes a "511 Off-Duty" Detective's stiff belt just to hold them up :rotf: , but I have FUN, and that's what it's all about!

Dave
 
The only real solution to the black powder addiction is to buy one of each! :surrender:

An 1858 NMA Remmington and a 1851 Colt, both made by Pietta so you can compare Colt to Remmington.

Then, beings how you mentioned wanting a Walker, buy one of those to scratch the itch of owning a hand cannon and also being able to compare Pietta made revolvers to the Uberti made Walker.

Now to complete the collection, looking at the 1860 Army Colt. One of the best looking cap and ball revolvers IMHO :wink:

Pietta or Uberti, Colt or Remmington all have their good/bad quirks, some need more work than others depending what you want the revolver to do for you. :thumbsup:
 
I'll be the only sour grapes here... and it really comes down to the size of your hand. I'm just under 6 ft tall and have smaller hands for a guy my size. The 51/61 Navy is perfect to my hands, the 1860 Army & 1873 SAA are both at the edge of confort for me and the Walker & Dragoon are just to large for me to shoot with pleasure.

So, my advice, look to your hand size, small to medium, bad choice, large to extra large, have fun!

Cheers,

David (I had a sweet 3rd model Dragoon with 2 fitted spare cylinders and a custom holster once but it was a boat anchor in my hands so I sold it) Teague
 
If you don't mind me chiming in, the Dragoon grip is not as long as the '60 Army, in fact I have always felt it was a comfortable half-way point between the '51 and the '60.
 
Kilborn said:
If you don't mind me chiming in, the Dragoon grip is not as long as the '60 Army, in fact I have always felt it was a comfortable half-way point between the '51 and the '60.

Sounds perfect, then! :thumbsup:
 
Horse pistols, Walkers or Dragoons, are not for the weak of wrist. The first complaint you will hear about them is the weight of the revolver itself. Rarely, do you hear a peep about the recoil.

Years ago, I lived in a very rural area of Southeast Louisiana. People from the city of New Orleans would drive out to that area and toss out their unwanted pets. We had twenty some odd barn cats at one time. Before long, a pack of feral dogs became a serious problem. We called the Aspca, the Orleans Parish animal control and the NOPD. All responded that where we lived was outside their jurisdiction. People were waking up to find their family pets dead and ripped apart on their door steps. This esculated to cattle attacks. Then when two children were chased from their bus stop to their home, enough was enough.

The locals paired up and went looking for these dogs turned predators. The young man, I was with, had an old H&R .410 shotgun. While, I had a ASM Thrid Model Colt type Dragoon. I had loaded it with 40 grains of Goex FFFG, topped by a plastic button, Ultra Hi Spit Ball Lube and a round ball. I bought this gun from SWC, for a whopping $25.00, who had an ad in the Shotgun News.

We ran into the main pack. My companion thought that bird shot would do for the task at hand. He threw down on the pack leader, a huge black great dane, at about 100 feet away. The dog just shook his head, like he was shaking off gnats. Many of the other dogs lit out. But, the dane was coming for us. At about 50 feet, I hauled up my hog leg and let loose. The dog rolled tail over head twice and laid still. At twenty feet, I let fly a second ball into his head. Upon examination, my first ball caught him in the chest and exited between his tail and his anus at about eleven o'clock.

While admittedly not a fast action gun, in the hands of a determined individual, it gets the job done the first time.

But, I will warn you, you get the bug for these pieces, it doesn't go away. Your next step is light artillery.

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CP

CaptainKirk said:
I presently own 3 C&B pistols; 1851 Navy in .36, 1858 Remmy in .44 and 1860 Army in .44. I've always had a strong hankering for either a Walker or Dragoon, but wonder; is there much difference (other than weight...duh!) in performance, handling, etc? How is the recoil on the larger "horse pistols"? What about grouping, effective range, etc? I would appreciate hearing from anyone who owns one of these, especially those who shoot some of their younger brethren (such as my three) as to how they compare, and; was it worth the cost? Is the shooting experience different (i.e. "gotta have it"?)
FYI, I shoot my own 240gr reloads through my Ruger Super Blackhawk (ouch!) so I'm no newbie to recoil in a SA. Just wonder how the big fellers compare. :idunno:
 
NOw you can go the other way also. I have 2 pocket police C&B's. Both are in .36 one is a 62 police pocket pistol the other is a 60 .36 cal Navy pocket pistol (based ion the 1851). Both are small frames and fit my hands like they were made for it. About the size of a Ruger Bearcat. 2 fingers curl around the grip and the pinky is under the bottom of the grip frame. I would clasify my hands as a small medium or large small :rotf: I have the 60 army in colt, the(2) 58 Remy, (2) 51 colt, Roger And Specer, and a Confed Spiller and Burr( which fits me fine also) and even a Texas Paterson . I dont have any of the artillary pistols yet but am eyeing a 2nd model. I guessyou just fire what feels comfortable. What you fire the most usually ends up feeling the most comfortable to your hand.
 
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