CA and the whole "lead ban"

[roundball]

CC,

I looked into the expanding requirement a few years ago. Apparently it's not required in CA for muzzleloading. GW

Correct...sounds like routine keyboard hunter theory.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Correct...sounds like routine keyboard hunter theory.

Nope!

Last time I checked Hunting big game was illegal in almost every state if using a non-expanding projectile

You'll notice I said ALMOST every state. I made no mention of California specifically. Checking the requirement, was my point. Grey Whiskers understood it...as evident by his response....Yet it somehow eluded you. :hmm:

Continually Calling me a keyboard hunter.....Makes you look sad.... :shake:
You have become the very thing you protest.

 

[roundball]

CC,

I looked into the expanding requirement a few years ago. Apparently it's not required in CA for muzzleloading. GW

Correct...sounds like routine keyboard hunter theory.

Another very important fact about the precision brass balls from this Manufacture is that they were extremely precise...tolerance variation was virtually non-existent.
In addition, after recovering them from a trap box full of shredded rubber, there was zero change in dimensions on any axis, and I reused the recovered once fired balls on the deer I took.

 

[coloradoclyde]

I reused the recovered once fired balls on the deer I took.

"Balls" plural?
Does that mean that you shot more than one deer and they didn't pass through,..... or did it take more than one shot to kill a single bambi and neither passed through. :hmm: :hmm:

Sounds marginally effective....

 

[roundball]

CC,
I looked into the expanding requirement a few years ago. Apparently it's not required in CA for muzzleloading. GW

Correct...sounds like routine keyboard hunter theory.

In addition, after recovering them from a trap box full of shredded rubber, there was zero change in dimensions on any axis, and I reused the recovered once fired balls on the deer I took.

A couple other photos from that year's project:

 

[coloradoclyde]

Do you realize you keep quoting yourself..... :youcrazy:

Maybe you need a snickers bar.....

 

[roundball]

CC,
I looked into the expanding requirement a few years ago. Apparently it's not required in CA for muzzleloading. GW

Correct...sounds like routine keyboard hunter theory.

And the price for a bag of 20 back in 2012:

 

[coloradoclyde]

Hey!, your still quoting yourself...Might be Alzheimer's setting in.... :shocked2:
The price has gone up by almost a dollar since...and no idea what shipping costs....
Make for some expensive shooting.

 

[Eric Krewson]

I don't get your point Clyde, lighten up. You ridiculed Roundball for sharing information, you got on my case for sharing smoothbore load information, all totally uncalled for.

 

[coloradoclyde]

I reused the recovered once fired balls on the deer I took.

"Balls" plural?
Does that mean that you shot more than one deer and they didn't pass through,..... or did it take more than one shot to kill a single deer and neither passed through?

One would think a non-expanding ball would go clean through. :hmm:

 

[Rifleman1776]

I never could understand why people always bash California.....After all this forum is from California

There are many reasons why many of us bash California. I am also not happy we cannot spell it with a "K" on this forum. To answer your question would require lengthy discussion in an appropriate forum.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Zinc is too light

Too light? What makes it TOO light?
But, you did say IMHO.
BTW, the .590" balls I am in the process of casting are 271 gr. compared to 284 for hard lead and 309 for pure lead. Interesting. But, I doubt Bambi would know the difference when hit.

 

[rodwha]

Banning lead projectiles seems deserving. Kind of hard to be traditional if you can't use lead.

Allowed to have no more than one pound of black powder would be another, especially if you can't find it locally, and even more so for those who want 4F for their pan and another granule size for the charge.

 

[Claude Mathis]

God bless you guys living in California, seriously. :surrender:

I never could understand why people always bash California.....After all this forum is from California.

I'm in California, but actually the Forum server is in Las Vegas. :grin:

 

[Powderedtoastman]

Man, I don't even know where to begin. I see where they are going, but there has to be a way. AR and AK rifles were unheard of in CA 10 years ago and all but gone......and then we found a way! There has to be a way around all this garbage. I'm very obliged for all the information here.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Simply because the California DNR has a list of "approved" ammunition, does the LAW actually say the projectile MUST be on this list, OR is the list provided for the convenience of the hunters and for the game wardens?

I ask as the law when first introduced simply said "lead free"...and the brass projectiles suggested and tested by Roundball, or projectiles molded from Rotometals Bismuth & Tin alloy match that criteria.

How the heck is a GW gonna know for sure the projectile is one of those brands in a BP firearm unless they actually test the item in the field after pulling it anyway?

:idunno:

LD

On June 29th 2015 the law was amended....stating that all projectiles or ammunition must be certified non-lead.
The certified list is updated once a year.
It is illegal for a hunter to posses a lead projectile while hunting..
First fine $500.00 second offense up to $5000.00

 

[coloradoclyde]

I would post a pdf of the changes but not sure if that's possible.
Here is a link to the person who's name was on the photocopied approval document.
http://www.fgc.ca.gov/contact/

There are lots of imbedded contact links to ask them directly....

 

[GreyWhiskers]

I'm not sure why topics about non-toxic requirements in California always have to turn sour. :hmm: I understand that most folks are unhappy about the regulations and about government intrusion.

But why can't we discuss the facts and offer positive suggestions about solving this issue without the bickering and posturing?

I welcome information from fellow muzzleloaders who have suggestions or technical information. But I've sure grown tired of seeing these threads deteriorate to the point that I'd just as soon turn off my computer than contribute. GW

 

[coloradoclyde]

Good point...
The conversation should be driven by people from California rather than people from states that still have lead water pipes....

 

[Greenmtnboy]

just hunt with lead and keep a couple of power belt bullets in your pocket, no idiot is going to drop a bore light down a loaded gun