Cabelas NEW gun policy

[Flintandsteel]

These are standard policies for any conventional firearm. It seems Cabelas has decided not to differentiate between black powder ( no FFL required) and conventional firearms.
Easy solution...... if that bothers you, don’t buy from Cabelas. Plenty other places out there.

 

[JHB]

I have no idea what Illinois laws concerning black powder firearms are at this time. They do make there residents register for a FOID card to purchase ammo. I do know their residents come over to Indiana to purchase ammo and don't see any reason they wouldn't come to IN to purchase BP and BP firearms. The feds don't put a restriction on them but IL does. This most likely is Cabala's covering them selves from ending up in a lawsuit.

 

[wb78963]

No one is turning "the purchase" over to the ATF because that is against the law. The government doesn't have a list of the firearms any individual owns.

If you believe that you can believe the Easter bunny will lay a golden egg inn your ear tonight
Hold Center
Bunk

 

[SDSmlf]

Does anyone know how this new policy for black powder firearms works? They claim it's just for their records.

Is this ‘new policy for black powder firearms’ involve purchase of them? Or selling them to Cableas? Long guns? Hand guns? Open/concealed carry in Cableas’ stores? When did they start this ‘new’ policy? Guess for security reasons you can quote or post a link to the ‘new’ policy you are asking about?

Are you the guy that goes around randomly yelling SQUIRREL?

 

[springfield art]

I should have added that the associate at my cabelas in Indiana did say that this new policy was just in Indiana and supposedly just for the stores records. IF, GOD forbid, there's a government gun confiscation it's just another way they can get even black powder firearms.

I gotta think there's many voters on "the other side" that are also gun people.

 

[springfield art]

No one is turning "the purchase" over to the ATF because that is against the law. The government doesn't have a list of the firearms any individual owns.

Bill proposed in Congress would change that. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, I believe, may not pass but that's what they're going for, total registration.

 

[springfield art]

I thought I read and was told many years ago when the 4473 was incepted that the form was to be maintained by the business doing the selling for 30 years, and if the business closed the forms were to be sent somewhere, but I can't remember where they were to be sent.

To the ATF, when a gun shop closes the "bound book" was sent by law to the ATF.

 

[George]

Remember the secret meeting Obama had with the big box stores, with no press allowed? I think that was the topic. Do this for us, and we will do things for you.

Is this one of those nasty conspiracy theories I keep hearing about?

I doubt there is any group in existence which is more paranoid and spreads more made-up misinformation than a certain segment of gun owners.

Spence

 

[appalichian hunter]

There is a huge compound in Martinsburg WVA. that is BATF, that is where the 4473s go if a business shuts down or stops selling firearms.

 

[Muddly]

Wait! Cabelas has guns?!
Pretty slim pickings in Hamburg Pa.

 

[Old Hawkeye]

Old Hawkeye, you have to be kidding on the 4473 form it is a government form, it is ATF regulated they all ready have the information. Wake up fellows the boom is being lowered one piece at a time until it is too late, for instance bills in congress that have been voted on and failed over the years keep coming back for another vote. When you go to your local firearms store to buy something the system in the cash register automatically develops and adds up the items you have bought placed in a data base ( your personal purchase history)just for you and the folks who want you guns, something as simple as say targets goes on your list.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You obviously would rather spread fear & misinformation than convey what the laws actually say & how they are implemented. No government agency or agent has legal access to the 4473 Forms kept by the FFL dealer. The BATFE can NOT go to a FFL dealer and request to look at the 4473 Forms he has on file. The only legal access is when a gun is used in a crime & a law enforcement agency has that particular gun in their possession. The government can then trace that gun from the manufacturer to the distributor to the dealer & request that 4473 Form for that gun only. They will then check with the person who initially bought the gun & signed the 4473. The LAW also says that the 4473 Forms turned in when a dealer goes out of business can only be used in the same manner & specifically says they can NOT be used to form any list or data base of gun owners. This is why it is important that you keep records of who you sell any of your guns to & when you sold it. THAT IS THE LAW! As far as the other jiberish about tracking what you buy. That's true for everybody & for everything that is purchased in today's digital world. Saying that a marketing strategy is somehow used for a vast clandestine government data base to come after law abiding citizens is quite a stretch. Put the Kool-Aid down. It will be all right.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Pretty slim pickens everywhere, everyone is scared of what's coming dumping what they can and not re-stocking, If they could even get items, every day that passes the noose becomes tighter.

 

[mooman76]

I have no idea what Illinois laws concerning black powder firearms are at this time. They do make there residents register for a FOID card to purchase ammo. I do know their residents come over to Indiana to purchase ammo and don't see any reason they wouldn't come to IN to purchase BP and BP firearms. The feds don't put a restriction on them but IL does. This most likely is Cabala's covering them selves from ending up in a lawsuit.

They more or less treat it like regular fire arms. Waiting period and all. Must have a FOID. Heck gotta have a FOID to buy powder and primer. Right now they are months behind on issuing a FOID card and the IRA has a law suit in over it. It tock them a long time just to get the suit filed in court. Allot of near by businesses in other states make you show a FOID to cover their but.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Wrong again Hawkeye the BATF has the right at any time for any reason to review the records to include the 4473 and required bound books for firearms (probably now computer generated data bases) transactions, I will not quibble with you over your bulls@@@ views, believe what you want. What do you think the F.B.I. uses the NICS system for, your discussing a national system that says if you can buy a gun or not that information just does not disappear after approval.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Opps forgot, do not really like cool aid gave that up when I stopped sh@@@ing in my diapers.

 

[Rum River]

"When you go to your local firearms store to buy something the system in the cash register automatically develops and adds up the items you have bought placed in a data base ( your personal purchase history)just for you and the folks who want you guns, something as simple as say targets goes on your list."

For over ten years I have worked in firearms departments at stores such as Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabelas and two other large independent shops that themselves dealt in thousands of transactions per year. None of these stores did this.

"Wrong again Hawkeye the BATF has the right at any time for any reason to review the records to include the 4473 and required bound books for firearms (probably now computer generated data bases) transactions, I will not quibble with you over your bulls@@@ views, believe what you want. What do think the F.B.I. uses the NICS system for, your discussing a national system that says if you can buy a gun or not that information just does not disappear after approval."

I cannot speak to the circumstances under which the ATF can review 4473 records. I can speak to the point that the 4473's are the gold standard. Yes, the bound books could be electronic as long as the software used has been approved by the ATF. But the hardcopy 4473's are the system of record. These are retained by the retailer for 20 years. That means going through thousands upon thousands of 4473's one at a time to look for whatever customer or whatever firearm is being traced.

Also, remember that the NICS checks have no record of make, model or serial number. The customer info and the basic type of firearm is it. Do I like that?, no. But it's best to be clear that the NICS check is not a source of information for registration of specific firearms.

My response is not to show any love for the current system. But I watched too much Dragnet while growing up and only care for facts.

 

[coloradoclyde]

These are standard policies for any conventional firearm. It seems Cabelas has decided not to differentiate between black powder ( no FFL required) and conventional firearms.
Easy solution...... if that bothers you, don’t buy from Cabelas. Plenty other places out there.

Cabela's sold a muzzleloader to someone who wasn't supposed to have it by law, and that person used said gun in a murder. Cabela's was sued and lost.
Hence the new policy.

 

[appalichian hunter]

What else would the NICS system be used for other than firearms purchases, maybe not the make, model cal. but a firearm, but the buyer and the buyers history of requests for clearance, I do know in the state I reside there is a running list of firearms one has bought, for instance you go to buy a unmentionable due the paper work (now on a computer generated data base) once it comes back previous purchases for firearms are also on the approval, still have to do the 4473 and all other paper work involved. That tells me we as firearms owners there is a list accessible to the gov. seems like certain stores are covering their assets and legal liabilities even with previous non-regulated weapons (black powder) So it appears a generated system of firearms purchases would exist if only bye name and other perinate information dealing with the buyer, I stand bye my comment on the store data base the information is processed into a data base and kept at the store I buy from, I will not reference the larger retail stores as I do not buy from them. Example of gov. information have a friend who had some problems at work got a knock one morning answered the door BATF presented him with paper work describing every weapon he ever bought and a warrant to seize those weapons, yes even took the black powder weapons, he had a very hard time recovering the confiscated guns even after being found not guilty in court. So never say things will not happen.

 

[Sam squanch]

Yes, Obama had a meeting with wal mart, bass pro , cabelas, and a few others. Press was not allowed at all. I remember it on the news like yesterday. The press were very mad they were not let in. Since you can’t have a federal gun registry, they are trying to make the states do it, barring that, getting the retailers to do it . The establishment politicians want gun control through back door methods,since they can’t get around the constitution. Call me a lier if you want, it HAPPENED!

 

[Sam squanch]

Oh yes, remember Clinton got caught holding on to ATF forms after they were supposed to be destroyed for “ research “ ? Yeah, right!