Carolina Gun build / canoe length

[BCWILL]

Great looking gun as usual

Some of the Muley hunting up here is in old growth fir….gets thick. Lottsa shots required are close up and fast !
I’m thinking a “canoe” length smoothie would be right handy

 

[beardedhorse]

Nice work Rob. Pulled up image of left hand trade gun. What kind of lock is on it? Looking for something similar to R. E. Davis Twigg lock but in left hand for a John Newcomer style rifle with fowling gun furniture. I shoot left handed and left eye dominant. Dry fire movement of the gun will be less with a smaller left hand lock like a Baby Durs Egg than a 5 1/2" lock with long throw and heavy cock.

 

[beardedhorse]

BCWILL. I've shot a canoe gun made from a North Star West kit that has been through 4 owners. Is 20 gauge and shoots a .60 patched round ball. Pretty poor accuracy and its barrel was considerably less than 26". I wouldn't hunt mule deer with it unless I could get within 10-12 yards or less. Trust my 36" barrel smooth bore and 42" barrel Tulle, left hand flinter out to 50 yards. Both use a high domed tang screw with the slot for a rear sight, What kinds of accuracy do forum members get with your canoe guns with 26" barrels in round ball and in shot?

 

[Billy-by-gosh]

Not sure when the reference of "canoe gun" started, but a very similar style, having been around since Europeans traded guns with the tribes, was a "horseback gun". I am not sure the average length that was preferred for the canoe gun, but horse guns tended to get way on the short side. I wonder if "canoe guns" were actually built for that purpose in those days or if they were just reduced (cut off) as was done with the Horse gun???

Yep, those 'horseback guns' were often used for buffalo running. Somewhere in our misspent youth, I read a contemporary account (maybe from George Catlin) of the rider carrying a cut-down trade gun with an enlarged touch hole for self-priming. His mouth was filled with lead balls as he rode up alongside the intended animal and fired into the vitals. Next, still riding, he grabbed a powder horn and dumped a charge down bore, spit a ball into barrel, then spit down bore again to make the ball stick to powder. The butt-plate was bumped to seat the charge. The shooter could then locate & shoot another beast, and repeated the series as long as possible.
I always wanted to hold and fire one of those, although owning a repro would be impractical nowadays! Maybe I could just get a wall hanger...

 

[BCWILL]

..,,,, I wouldn't hunt mule deer with it unless I could get within 10-12 yards or less.

I think I’m pretty sneaky……but not quite that sneaky

 

[Flanders]

I’ll join the conversation , I may be a fan of robs work…..my bunny gun, my boys gun, and my type g, all by rob.

 

[Rob M.]

I guess I will be president of the Northern Plains Chapter of the "R. Miller Smoothbore Brigade"... We can all meet up every year for a Buffalo feast and little fine bourbon. We will start out the event with our Trade Guns in the air and fire a volley. Yea... I like where this is going... keep spreading those guns out Robl

Great looking gun as usual

Some of the Muley hunting up here is in old growth fir….gets thick. Lottsa shots required are close up and fast !
I’m thinking a “canoe” length smoothie would be right handy

They are fun and handy . Come on over and shoot this little sucker ! Fun !

 

[Rob M.]

Had company today so not much work done . Tommy de Bruce come over and ...darn it ! He made me talk about trade guns , trade gun parts , future project and stuff like that ! It was horrendous ! LOL ! I got a the fore stock all taken down the final shape so just final sanding is required before finish ...and I added the brass nose strap .

 

[Rob M.]

Pics ....

 

[Rob M.]

Pics ....

 

[Rob M.]

I’ll join the conversation , I may be a fan of robs work…..my bunny gun, my boys gun, and my type g, all by rob.

I’ll join the conversation , I may be a fan of robs work…..my bunny gun, my boys gun, and my type g, all by rob.

Your awesome bud . great pics ! Good to hear from ya ....I appreciate the input too as most these guys dont know me , thanks.

 

[Rob M.]

Nice work Rob. Pulled up image of left hand trade gun. What kind of lock is on it? Looking for something similar to R. E. Davis Twigg lock but in left hand for a John Newcomer style rifle with fowling gun furniture. I shoot left handed and left eye dominant. Dry fire movement of the gun will be less with a smaller left hand lock like a Baby Durs Egg than a 5 1/2" lock with long throw and heavy cock.

It was an L&R left handed Queen Anne lock .

 

[Feltwad]

Trying to finish a canoe length Type G / Carolina Gun for a nice guy in Tennessee . Walnut stock , handmade brass hardware , L&R Quenn Anne lock . I made the 26" barrel from an old 100 yr. old blank . .58 . I breeched it , files the flats and rings , stamped it with appropriate proof mark and LONDON stamp ...Just made and inlet the thumb plate today . Need to finish up the side plate , inlet it , make and install the nose band then start final shaping and get to sanding ...
. Should be done in a few days . 4 1/2 pds.

Here in the UK I have always understood that the forgery of proof marks of London and Birmingham proof houses was against the law which could result in a prison sentence or a heavy fine
Feltwad

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Here in the UK I have always understood that the forgery of proof marks of London and Birmingham proof houses was against the law which could result in a prison sentence or a heavy fine
Feltwad

They can come and TRY to arrest me if they like

 

[Rob M.]

Here in the UK I have always understood that the forgery of proof marks of London and Birmingham proof houses was against the law which could result in a prison sentence or a heavy fine
Feltwad

Call the cops then .... Lordy .....

 

[Feltwad]

Call the cops then .... Lordy .....

They can come and TRY to arrest me if they like

Call the cops then .... Lordy .....

Typical answer from some I was only quoting the UK law not those in the States .Lets not forget it will always be a repro not the true thing with its forge proof marks so why stamp them. [ Lordy]
Feltwad

 

[Flanders]

Why stamp them, because folks want them, so the builder supplies the demand.

 

[Rob M.]

Typical answer from some I was only quoting the UK law not those in the States .Lets not forget it will always be a repro not the true thing with its forge proof marks so why stamp them. [ Lordy]
Fel a lizard . Rolled up dough balls will never be pizza , manual transmissions will always be easier to pull then automatic yransmis

Typical answer from some I was only quoting the UK law not those in the States .Lets not forget it will always be a repro not the true thing with its forge proof marks so why stamp them. [ Lordy]
Feltwad

Oh my God ! Your right ! No matter how many times I stamp that barrel the gun will never be an original ! What was I thinking ?! I truely appreciate you opening my eyes to my stupidity . I will never put an authentic proof mark on a barrel again ! Why should I ? Its fruitless if it doesn't make it an original ! I will never stamp LONDON on the top flat ever again since it is not from London and , as you have pointed out , it does not make it an original ! I will never make the barrel with flats at the breech section ever again as it will never make it an original ! Oh my ! YES ! I will never make the stock with real wood or with hand tools again as it does not make it original ! You have opened my eyes to reason and logic ! Thank you SO much ! You ! Are an inspiration !

 

[Oberst]

Beautiful Rob. And remember while I kinda promised my wife that what I just ordered would be my last kit, I made no mention of it being my last gun.

Are you sure you didn’t say latest kit vs last?

 

[TDM]

I love the stamps @Rob M. a Trade Gun wouldn't be finished without having the proper markings.