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I'm considering having my cylinder bore 12ga jug choked full by Caywood. Anybody had it done? Likes, dislikes?
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Caywood jug choke
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I had two similar barrels done by Caywood, with one you could easily kill a turkey at 40 yards, the other didn't come out so well and 25 yards would be a stretch. I don't know what was done differently, something was.
I had my 20 gauge done by Caywood and mine will easily kill a turkey at 40 yards as well.:grin:
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$95 plus $30 for shipping
:hmm: may have to have the CVA Gobbler and/or the 20 Dbl jugged :hmm:
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As long as neither is chrome lined bores. I guess that's a no go.
I've been pleased. I acquired one of his canoe guns that he had jug choked for me, kind of an experiment to see how it would work. She will pick a squirrel out of the top of a big ole red oak with no problem!! Good enough for me.
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That's it! I'm convinced :wink: I'm gonna have it done.
My jug choked fowler shoots less than a 3" group at 50 yards with round balls and I am a lousy shot who can't see the sights in my old age.
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If it wasn't done back then why do it. Just a crutch to kill somethin with less skill in my thinkin. If I wanted to kill a turkey at 40 yd's I'd use a modern gun :td:
Here is some history on it.I have just finished reading an English translation of Espingarda Perfeyta (The Perfect Gun) first published in Portugal in 1718. Even in English this book takes some interpretation, but I think that a form of "jug" or "relief" choke boring is clearly discussed. Bird shot is called "hail-shot" and the section I quote is preceded by a wood cut of a hunter shooting flying birds with a flint-lock.NWTF Longhunter said:
The translator and editor say the book was in process in the "17th century" (late 1600s) and the authors quote another book, Arte de Ballesteria by Spinar (possibly Spanish or Italian), which would date the information back to the late 1600s. Here's what they were saying about improving pattern by modifying the barrel at the muzzle, two centuries before Fred Kimble, in his senility post-1910, decided he had retroactively "invented" choke boring in 1868:
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If I had too tight of a choke, I might have missed both my spring birds that died at 8 steps!!!
Ahhhhhm, I don't see anything about the choke?
Could you make another post to add the quote? People are wanting to know what it said.
Could you make another post to add the quote? People are wanting to know what it said.
It was fairly common for barrels in the 17th and early 18th century to be 'relieved', bored larger at both breech and muzzle. The passage in The Perfect Gun is describing this profile, not what we today call jug-choking. This is the bit:
"The barrel of the Gun shall be fashioned for better aim, and range of the shots, both in the forge and with the file, with the circumstances which we recommend, and when it has been wholly completed, everything inside being even, it shall be enlarged by the breech with the same rods to the width of half an adarme, to the distance of two palms forwards, and this width we do not exceed, because use of the fire may increase it, and this excess will not have any worse effect, this width ending in diminution at the aforesaid distance, to be followed by the equality of the barrel a far as the last three fingers of the muzzle, which shall also have the width of exactly one adarme, and this shall diminish inside the muzzle, finishing at the end of three fingers."
The first evidence I've found of "jug-choking" was done by Russell M. Faburn. He filed a patent for an expandable reamer to make a recessed choke behind the muzzle (U.S. Patent 128,379, issued June 25, 1872).
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"The barrel of the Gun shall be fashioned for better aim, and range of the shots, both in the forge and with the file, with the circumstances which we recommend, and when it has been wholly completed, everything inside being even, it shall be enlarged by the breech with the same rods to the width of half an adarme, to the distance of two palms forwards, and this width we do not exceed, because use of the fire may increase it, and this excess will not have any worse effect, this width ending in diminution at the aforesaid distance, to be followed by the equality of the barrel a far as the last three fingers of the muzzle, which shall also have the width of exactly one adarme, and this shall diminish inside the muzzle, finishing at the end of three fingers."
The first evidence I've found of "jug-choking" was done by Russell M. Faburn. He filed a patent for an expandable reamer to make a recessed choke behind the muzzle (U.S. Patent 128,379, issued June 25, 1872).
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