Charles Moore shotgun

[andy52]

I took the shotgun out for the first time I got it a couple of months ago to put it through the paces. I only use 60 grains of 2f just to be on the safe side. I tried a skychief load using no. 6 shot to start with and it shot that with no problems at all. Then I did the same load with 8 .32 cal balls that went without a hitch. I had some .720 round balls and figured what the heck give it a try, 60 grains 2f patched ball. It shot those surprisingly well off-hand at 20 yds
just about 2 inches above the point of aim. Now I need to get it out hunting.

 

[Feltwad]

I take it is a English gun by Moore a good maker has I have restored several it is a gun designs has a sporting gun and mainly built for shot I would forget above using round balls mainly because it was not designed for that , I f it is a 12 bore I would use a volume load of 2.3/4 drms {75grains } of FFFg of powder to 1.1/8 oz of shot of 6,7,8. for game .To load powder , 2 ,1/8 cards , shot , 1/16 over shot card . forget about the fancy loads they are not better and do not kill any better . I have used this load for seven decades and can fire a 100 plus in one session for which I know what it can do and always recommend it but your gun must be in good condition
Feltwad

 

[Brokennock]

Well, there you have it. The "expert of all experts," has spoken. The Skychief load, that so many have gotten improved patterns from, does not actually work or improve anything. (It must somehow magically change your vision and how you see the patterning paper.)
Do as he says or you are doomed to failure, possibly syphilis, your gun's wood will shrink, you will never hit anything you shoot at again, and your dog will have chronic gas.

 

[Brokennock]

I took the shotgun out for the first time I got it a couple of months ago to put it through the paces. I only use 60 grains of 2f just to be on the safe side. I tried a skychief load using no. 6 shot to start with and it shot that with no problems at all. Then I did the same load with 8 .32 cal balls that went without a hitch. I had some .720 round balls and figured what the heck give it a try, 60 grains 2f patched ball. It shot those surprisingly well off-hand at 20 yds
just about 2 inches above the point of aim. Now I need to get it out hunting.

Sounds great. What shall ye be hunting with this fine classic gun?

 

[Feltwad]

Well, there you have it. The "expert of all experts," has spoken. The Skychief load, that so many have gotten improved patterns from, does not actually work or improve anything. (It must somehow magically change your vision and how you see the patterning paper.)
Do as he says or you are doomed to failure, possibly syphilis, your gun's wood will shrink, you will never hit anything you shoot at again, and your dog will have chronic gas.

Here we go again if he wants to use a fancy load then be it but it to me is no better I am not saying no do not use it . You Sir it would be better writing some thing logical and stop stirring up a argument.
Feltwad

 

[andy52]

I take it is a English gun by Moore a good maker has I have restored several it is a gun designs has a sporting gun and mainly built for shot I would forget above using round balls mainly because it was not designed for that , I f it is a 12 bore I would use a volume load of 2.3/4 drms {75grains } of FFFg of powder to 1.1/8 oz of shot of 6,7,8. for game .To load powder , 2 ,1/8 cards , shot , 1/16 over shot card . forget about the fancy loads they are not better and do not kill any better . I have used this load for seven decades and can fire a 100 plus in one session for which I know what it can do and always recommend it but your gun must be in good condition
FeltwadView attachment 97545

The SxS is almost a twin to the one pictured in your post but I don't have the wooden box to go with it.
Considering it was the first time I fired it I kept the loads on the light side. The round balls were in my shooting box that I use in some of my other SxSs so I just gave them a try. Thanks for the tip on the round balls in this gun and you're probably correct in their usage the shotgun is lighter and more delicate than some of my others.

 

[andy52]

Well, there you have it. The "expert of all experts," has spoken. The Skychief load, that so many have gotten improved patterns from, does not actually work or improve anything. (It must somehow magically change your vision and how you see the patterning paper.)
Do as he says or you are doomed to failure, possibly syphilis, your gun's wood will shrink, you will never hit anything you shoot at again, and your dog will have chronic gas.

To be perfectly honest that is the first time I'd ever used the load type. I wasn't testing the gun for a pattern just shooting it. I've been shooting muzzleloading SxSs for about 30 years and loaded with a more traditional arrangement for years.

 

[andy52]

Sounds great. What shall ye be hunting with this fine classic gun?

Mostly will start with squirrels and try some rabbit when the weather is cooler later this fall.

 

[Feltwad]

Mostly will start with squirrels and try some rabbit when the weather is cooler later this fall.

Well good luck with your outings use what load you want but remember a distance of approximately 35 yards is a good killing distance
Feltwad
Using a D/B 12 Bore By Moore

 

[andy52]

Well good luck with your outings use what load you want but remember a distance of approximately 35 yards is a good killing distance
Feltwad
Using a D/B 12 Bore By Moore
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Mostly the squirrels will be closer than 35 yds, I use beagles to hunt rabbits so that's just a matter of how close the dogs run them by me.
PS; if you ever come across a double flinter that you're not interested in buying keep me in mind

 

[Brokennock]

but it to me is no better

Because you haven't tried it properly and if it doesn't fit your narrow-minded views and ideas it can't be any good. Completely disregard the many reports and photographs of improved patterns.

 

[Feltwad]

Because you haven't tried it properly and if it doesn't fit your narrow-minded views and ideas it can't be any good. Completely disregard the many reports and photographs of improved patterns.

Sir your reply is absolute narrow minded on your part ,the load you are revering to is not new my records show that it was used in the percussion period but the components were different ,If shooters wish to use the load well Ok but my opinion is it is no better has I have used that type of load many decades ago .
Feltwad

 

[Feltwad]

It seems the images I enclosed in this thread have been deleted can anyone explain why or do they not belong ?
Feltwad

 

[andy52]

It seems the images I enclosed in this thread have been deleted can anyone explain why or do they not belong ?
Feltwad

The photos you posted yesterday are still visible on my computer, one of the shotgun and the other the gun and a pile of crows.

 

[Feltwad]

The photos you posted yesterday are still visible on my computer, one of the shotgun and the other the gun and a pile of crows.

Yes they seem to have returned. You asked about flintlock sxs shotguns I will go through my photo library and post some from my collection
Feltwad

 

[andy52]

Yes they seem to have returned. You asked about flintlock sxs shotguns I will go through my photo library and post some from my collection
Feltwad

Thanks a flinter has been on my want list for years, I just haven't come across one that I like and is reasonably priced.

 

[TFoley]

Dear Mod, I'm only speaking for myself, you understand, and have no part in the matter, except as a getting more and more pee'd off reader of the nigh-on continual beef between Messrs Brokennock and Feltwad.

If they want to take their antagonism someplace else, and leave the forum to more open-minded shooters, that's fine by me. To my mind, BOTH of them produce posts with much information and merit, and two people with such long years of muzzleloading shooting will surely have had different experiences brought about by their particular circumstances. It is therefore a distinct fact that they will have different opinions and ways of doing things, just like we ALL do.

As such, there are bound to be points of disagreement in the wider scheme of things. However this whole thing is getting personal to the point where I'm going to block them both off until they settle their differences like gentlemen, and not a couple of nyaa-nyaa schoolkids.

 

[Feltwad]

Dear Mod, I'm only speaking for myself, you understand, and have no part in the matter, except as a getting more and more pee'd off reader of the nigh-on continual beef between Messrs Brokennock and Feltwad.

If they want to take their antagonism someplace else, and leave the forum to more open-minded shooters, that's fine by me. To my mind, BOTH of them produce posts with much information and merit, and two people with such long years of muzzleloading shooting will surely have had different experiences brought about by their particular circumstances. It is therefore a distinct fact that they will have different opinions and ways of doing things, just like we ALL do.

As such, there are bound to be points of disagreement in the wider scheme of things. However this whole thing is getting personal to the point where I'm going to block them both off until they settle their differences like gentlemen, and not a couple of nyaa-nyaa schoolkids.

When I came to these forums with information on the UK gunmakers of the muzzle loading period and also the UK way of game shooting there was many who enjoyed the threads . Then developed a element who did not like things concerning this side of the pond mainly its gun heritage of the period but for some it was only the flintlock long rifle ,other types and ignition should only take a small role. Un truths of the Uk game shooting gave a different meaning to what the true game shooting sport was all about .Well yes I said I could not see any sport of shooting a turkey at 5 yards which I still do not understand which really caused a up raw because I had dared to express my view resulted in name calling not only of me but my family also.
Yes I agree that threads are now out of hand it seems if I entry a thread or reply to one there is always the element who shoot you down or alter it to another topic. I am not only committed to these forums there are plenty of other forums ,if I walked away today the element would be clapping there hands because they do not want too know of Uk gun history of which for the muzzle loading period they have none only a hybrid flint lock long rifle.
Feltwad .

 

[Britsmoothy]

To be fair I do in fact understand where Feltwad and Brokennock are coming from.

For shooting at a stationary target with shot like our cousins do a turkey or I do occasionally a pheasant then the skychief does indeed help.

Now where conventional loading chains help is shooting on the wing.
No, I'm not saying the skychief load is no good for wing shooting because it is. But under normal circumstances, wing shooting, as Feltwad says, there is no real advantage.

That aside, where some get irritated with messier Feltwad, myself included, is his way with words.
Maybe it's autism I dunno.
All we can do is keep encouraging him.
We do have a duty of care at the end of the day do we not?

 

[gooddy51]

I take it is a English gun by Moore a good maker has I have restored several it is a gun designs has a sporting gun and mainly built for shot I would forget above using round balls mainly because it was not designed for that , I f it is a 12 bore I would use a volume load of 2.3/4 drms {75grains } of FFFg of powder to 1.1/8 oz of shot of 6,7,8. for game .To load powder , 2 ,1/8 cards , shot , 1/16 over shot card . forget about the fancy loads they are not better and do not kill any better . I have used this load for seven decades and can fire a 100 plus in one session for which I know what it can do and always recommend it but your gun must be in good condition
FeltwadView attachment 97545

Gun looks great for it's age. Thanks for sharing