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willowbilly

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I recently acquired a Navy Arms Charleville in .69 caliber.

I am looking for advise on what ball sizes to use.

Patched ball, bare ball, and paper cartridge.

Any suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!
 
My Pedersoli Charleville shoots the Lyman .662 round ball either cloth patched or in paper cartridges. I rarely shoot it "bare-ball" wiht this size as the accuracy is disappointing compared to patching it, and I don't often contribute to live volley-fire. I have tried the Lee .690 round ball "bare" and it will load as long as the bore is clean. After two or three shots it is nearly impossible to get it down to the breech without some serious pounding.
 
I have been shooting my Navy Arms Charleville for over 30 years. A few years ago, a good N-SSA friend who shoots an 1842 Springfield repro, also .69 cal., explained that he uses a .678 ball that is dipped into a mixture of bee's wax and Crisco. I now shoot my Charleville with that same .678 ball and lube. It shoots great. The mixture keeps the fowling soft and thus the musket can be shot repeatedly without cleaning.
 
simonbeans said:
he uses a .678 ball that is dipped into a mixture of bee's wax and Crisco. I now shoot my Charleville with that same .678 ball and lube. It shoots great. The mixture keeps the fowling soft and thus the musket can be shot repeatedly without cleaning.
This is an excellent compromize for ball size. The military would hve used a ball about .630 for a .69 bore, but that was to be sure paper cartridges still functioned, even with a fouled bore.
 
Thanks all.

Looks like I will have some fun trying out the different ball sizes.

What powder and how much are you using?
 
My .69 likes 70 gr of 2f Goex, with a .662 ball in a paper cartridge. I've used up to 90 gr 2f with good results, but 70 is enough.
 
each rifle is different, from others. first mic the bore, and use a ball 15 thou. under with a patch 15 thou. thick. you will have to do your own testing to see witch one works best.
 
Thanks all.

I have to order most BP stuff from the lower 48 so it is nice to have a starting point so that I don't waste time and money starting from scratch.
 
:v 90 grains including 10 grains priming of musket powder, 1Fg. No complaints. Also works good with buck 'n ball.

The Irish Mick
Arizona Territory
 
My Pedersoli Charleville shoots the Lyman .662 round ball either cloth patched or in paper cartridges. I rarely shoot it "bare-ball" wiht this size as the accuracy is disappointing compared to patching it, and I don't often contribute to live volley-fire. I have tried the Lee .690 round ball "bare" and it will load as long as the bore is clean. After two or three shots it is nearly impossible to get it down to the breech without some serious pounding.
I just bought a Pedersoli as well. I sized the bore and it is .689. It it very accurate at 50 yards with a patch (.010) and a ,675 round ball but it is very difficult to ram down after 3 shots. So the .662 works good with a patch? I might call moose moulds and try to get some samples of different sizes.
 
I have been shooting my Navy Arms Charleville for over 30 years. A few years ago, a good N-SSA friend who shoots an 1842 Springfield repro, also .69 cal., explained that he uses a .678 ball that is dipped into a mixture of bee's wax and Crisco. I now shoot my Charleville with that same .678 ball and lube. It shoots great. The mixture keeps the fowling soft and thus the musket can be shot repeatedly without cleaning.
I'm in the N-SSA too and I've been using beeswax and crisco for 30 years shooting in the N-SSA and it works great with the minie
 
The 69 cal French muskets model 1717 ,1728 ,1763 ,and so on the issued ball diameter was 650 the issue ball size for the Brown bess was 690 .The smooth bore musket evolved from the cannon a certain amount of windage is required .There is no rifling a tight fitting patched ball in a smooth bore musket slides out the barrel this is why so many people have issues with muskets.The principle is very simple a ball with sufficient windage is rammed down the barrel no patch a wad is rammed down on the charge a wad should be rammed down on top of the ball.when the musket is touched off the gunpowder blasts under and around the ball and the ball stabilizes in the first 5 or 6 calibers .The art is how you aim how much windage there is between ball and bore the amount gun powder .and wading on top of the ball Never Never between ball and powder.The challenge is ti figure out what wadding and ball and charge work best that the fun of it If you are looking achieve rifle performance and accuracy at 100 yards you need a rifle not a musket
 
I have the old Navy Arms Japanese Charleyville. I ordered the .678 Lyman mold from Track of the Wolf. I scanned and ran copies of a few pages of Poor Richard's Almanac that I found online. I used some tea to age the standard printer paper. Then I rolled some cartridges up for my box. I bite off the end, prime the pan, pour the remaining powder down the barrel, and then ram the works. She shoots into a paper plate at 50 yards and that's me, recoil, and a flintlock. DSC04033.JPG
 
The box I made myself from examples I found in sketch book '56 from the French and Indian War Period. I liked the banana curvature of the waist belt cartridge boxes, but I wanted the shoulder strap style. I wound up making a pine block and drilling 27 holes into it. Then I made the box from heavy natural cowhide, wetted it and turned it inside out. Two inch linen straps were sewn on, I did not incorporate any length adjustment to keep things simple. For the double lid, I made wooden sides to the inner lid, wetted it and banded it down till it set up pretty tight on the radius, then I made the larger cover lid and the brass stud on bottom to hold it in place. It turned out to be a pretty nice fit on my right hip, good for sustained field use if the British should ever come back : ). As an American, you can take liberties with the box, the styles were all over the place. My box is a conglomeration of styles that appealed to me. Thanx for asking!
 

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