Thanks all, well I haven't given up the gost on it yet , the colth patching thing these guys are useing is one more option to try and fiddle with, it don't do anything I'll do the hugged choke thing, I just not sure I have enough barrel thickness for the screw in types so jugging would be last option. Hey if I don't get back you all have a safe and great memorial day, I'm headed to my living history site to work on our block house seems the chinking is dissapearing from the sides of the building.