Cimarron

[Marc Adamchek]

I've read here in various posts over the past month or so that the percussion revolvers offered by Cimarron are Uberti made and Cimarron "refined/refinished". I guess it would make some sense since they're consistently more expensive, but I guess here in the 21st century it would also make sense that they are just more expensive.

So that's my question: Are the Cimarron labeled guns a cut above their Uberti roots?

 

[Trot]

I don't think Cimarron does anything to them, I have heard they are choosier about the guns they get from Uberti, but I don't know about that either. I do know the Cimarron Uberti Remington revolver that I got is the nicest black powder revolver I have owned. As far as the price, I wanted a Uberti, not necessarily a Cimarron. The Cimarron from Buffalo Arms was the cheapest Uberti I found available.

 

[necchi]

Oh I'm sure they go through and tune things.
As example VTI Gunparts offers a service called,
"Fix My Gun" for a flat rate of $150.
There is alot a skilled/experianced gunsmith with the proper machines and tools can do in just a few hours.
I'm sure they "cherry pick" the revolvers to begin with, but being able to work a cylinder and frame and hot blue them again right there in the shop is worth alot.

I'm just guessing at what they do, but it's not a far stretch of imagination that a shop after initial set-up can tune a factory gun for a profit.

 

[Marc Adamchek]

Speaking of finish, the aftermarket finishes are from $75 for charcoal blue to $100 for Origianl finish (distressed). And that's ON TOP of an already expensive base price.

Does Uberti do these finishes or does Cimarron?

If Cimarron does this work I'd be more likely to believe they do a LITTLE tuning on their "cherry-picked" Ubertis. I guess.

Oops, I'm coming back in! The charcoal finish in their pictures looks like it's shiny, almost turquoise. Almost cartoon-like, and not at all attractive (to me). Has anyone seen this finish in real life? Is it closer to the dark blue, maybe lustrous like the old S & W revolvers? I would really appreciate knowing what this finish looks like. Thanks!

 

[Shoeless]

I had the charcoal finish on a Paterson.The finish is beautiful but I think its not as durable.....

 

Oh I'm sure they go through and tune things.

I don't know where this comes from but it's simply untrue. No if's, and's or but's. Cimarron does nothing to them. They have their own QC people at the Uberti factory and that is it. If you order an antique finish, optional grips or engraving they farm it out to be done. That said, I really don't see much difference between the various importers.

What they market as "charcoal blue" isn't really. It's nitre or fire blue and it is a very fragile finish. Real charcoal blue as done by Turnbull and a few others is a very durable finish but more of a soft luster than your typical bright polished hot salt blue. I could post a picture of a sixgun finished in real charcoal blue but it's a cartridge gun and that is strictly verboten. Even if entirely relevant. :youcrazy:

 

[necchi]

Cimarron does nothing to them. They have their own QC people at the Uberti factory and that is it.

And how do you know this?

I ask because this makes no sence.

That said, I really don't see much difference between the various importers.

Do you even own or have experiance with several different importers?

It's known that Uberti makes several different grades of their revovlers, different importers purchase different grades.

 

You're spreading a lot of misinformation.

I know because I talked to their president.

My opinion of the guns from the various importers is based on owning several examples from ALL the various importers. No, I do not believe there is a measurable difference between Uberti guns sourced from Cimarron, Dixie Gun Works, Taylor's or Stoeger. The only turd I ever had to send back was a Cimarron.

Tell me about these different "grades" and where you learned of them.

If you think differently, I'd suggest either putting forth something to support your claims or call them yourselves.

 

PS, the charcoal blue guns come from Uberti that way. Other importers offer it as well. The antique finish Cimarron offers is farmed out, nothing is done "in-house". Somewhere around here I have the contact info for the shop that does their work.

 

[Shoeless]

The Paterson I had that was charcoal blue was an Uberti made in 1996 I believe. That finish looked good but very thin. I myself have purchased from just about all the distributors and feel there is no differance. I have had a "turd" from all of them. However the best service experiance has been from Stoeger. I sent a Pocket Police back for over rotating and they repaired it and slicked up the action under warranty within 10 days.......

 

[Poor Private]

The pistol I bought from Cimarron was billed and sold as being fine tuned, and fit and finish to a higher degree. Also the warranty is extended to 2 years, and all parts are proofed which they were and got the paperwork for the extended warrenty also. When I receved it I compared to my other Uberti's and it is must better in finish and fit. Have fired it many times both using the standard cylinder and it's spare, and that cylinder we arn't supposed to talk about. Never had a problem never missed a beat. If I am looking for another high end gun I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Cimarron ---Wait I did!!

 

[Shoeless]

Stoegers warrany is 5 years.........

 

[FishDFly]

I've read here in various posts over the past month or so that the percussion revolvers offered by Cimarron are Uberti made and Cimarron "refined/refinished". I guess it would make some sense since they're consistently more expensive, but I guess here in the 21st century it would also make sense that they are just more expensive.

So that's my question: Are the Cimarron labeled guns a cut above their Uberti roots?

Skip the discussion here and call the owner direclty to find out what you want to know.

Seems better than asking folks who have not actually been to the shop and looked and have bought one from the owner.

Another simple answer.

I have been to the shop, really nice folks to deal with, ,never heard a negative about Cimarron, Pietta is a different deiscussion.

 

Cimarron quickly replaced the sixgun I sent back to them. The replacement was better but not as good as my other guns from them. No one here is saying anything bad about Cimarron. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another and probably will this year. There is just not the significant difference between Cimarron and the other importers that some folks seem to think. They have some tuned guns like the Evil Roy and Thunderstorm and their actions are very well done. They're just not done at Cimarron by Cimarron personnel. They're farmed out, like I said......twice.

 

[necchi]

Well Craig,
I've gleened the info about different grades of Uberti here at the forum in several topics about the subject for years, sorry I'm not going to search through years worth of topics to find them.
Many where "what's better" topics, many where "Uberti quality" topics,,and so on.

Now as far as the misinformation I'm spreading if you go back and actually read my first post you might see this;
"I'm just guessing at what they do, but it's not a far stretch of imagination",,
I can't say it much plainer than that. :v

 

You guessed wrong and then when corrected, got really defensive. Can't be any plainer than that.

 

[necchi]

Sorry, I was wrong. :redface:
I'll probably never buy a Cimarron, paying extra money for a name isn't my bag, esp when these things are so easy to tune or correct at the kitchen table and simple tools or with inexpensive rpl parts, :idunno:

 

I don't really see a price difference either. I like dealing with Cimarron because they handle their own warranty work. They're easy to deal with and have some configurations that others don't offer. They also offer antique finishes on any of their guns and TruIvory grips as well.

If Dixie Gun Works carries it, I'll buy from them because they're only two hours away but if I have to order it, it'll be a Cimarron.

I do my own action jobs and spring swaps as well.

 

[Trot]

My Cimarron 1858 Remington was $301, that was the cheapest Uberti I could find. Dixie, Midway, S&S, were all more expensive for non Cimarron Ubertis.

 

[ian45662]

What would make one return a revolver? Are there any accuracy expectations someone should have? If it does not meet your expectations will they take it back and try to do something with it?