Cole??? Help in information on pistol.

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Kia Ora from NZ.
I have recently acquired a old Boot pistol.
( forgive me ) if post 1865?.
I would take a guess & say earlier?
In NZ there's some good Antigue muzzleloaders.
But I've never heard of Coles.
Would anyone have any information on my pistol.
Funny story.
I thought it was London on engraving
I see now it's Boston.
Kia Ora Tatou ( thanks very much )
Enjoy yourselves out there .

 

[PathfinderNC]

Very nice. It looks like a Turn-Off pistol, which is loaded at the breech by unscrewing the barrel; note the *** on the barrel bottom to catch the wrench. (It's more a Pocket Pistol or Muff Pistol than a Boot Pistol).
Some interesting info on a "Cole" of Boston (Boston, ENGLAND):
"The 1841 (Boston) census finds John Cole, a teenager, living on Liquorpond Street (map) in Boston. His occupation is listed as gunmaker’s apprentice."
And;
John Cole and Clara Usher may well have been childhood friends, in any case, they married on Christmas Day 1845. He was 23 and she was 22.
The Lincolnshire Chronicle and General Advertiser recorded their marriage on January 2 1846. (p 5)
At Boston, on Christmas day, (by the Rev F. Firman, curate) Mr John Cole, gunmaker, of Bridge Street, to Clara, youngest daughter of the late Captain Usher, of Liquorpond street.
And;
Cole, John, South Melbourne, was born in Boston, Lincolnshire, England, in 1822, and arrived in Melbourne in 1853, after having been shipwrecked on the Brazilian coast. Mr Cole has for many years carried on the business of lock and gun smith, and in the former capacity has had numerous business transactions with the banking and commercial community, while in the latter he was favourably regarded by sportsmen.

~~ I think he took one of his own pistols with him when he sailed to Australia, which may be the one you have.

~Bob

I think this may be your guy
https://maddenfamilyhistory.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/john-cole/

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Very nice. It looks like a Turn-Off pistol, which is loaded at the breech by unscrewing the barrel; note the *** on the barrel bottom to catch the wrench. (It's more a Pocket Pistol or Muff Pistol than a Boot Pistol).
Some interesting info on a "Cole" of Boston (Boston, ENGLAND):
"The 1841 (Boston) census finds John Cole, a teenager, living on Liquorpond Street (map) in Boston. His occupation is listed as gunmaker’s apprentice."
And;
John Cole and Clara Usher may well have been childhood friends, in any case, they married on Christmas Day 1845. He was 23 and she was 22.
The Lincolnshire Chronicle and General Advertiser recorded their marriage on January 2 1846. (p 5)
At Boston, on Christmas day, (by the Rev F. Firman, curate) Mr John Cole, gunmaker, of Bridge Street, to Clara, youngest daughter of the late Captain Usher, of Liquorpond street.
And;
Cole, John, South Melbourne, was born in Boston, Lincolnshire, England, in 1822, and arrived in Melbourne in 1853, after having been shipwrecked on the Brazilian coast. Mr Cole has for many years carried on the business of lock and gun smith, and in the former capacity has had numerous business transactions with the banking and commercial community, while in the latter he was favourably regarded by sportsmen.

~~ I think he took one of his own pistols with him when he sailed to Australia, which may be the one you have.

~Bob

I think this may be your guy
https://maddenfamilyhistory.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/john-cole/

Kia Ora Tatou Bob.
WOW... I'm stunned by uoor information. & So quickly.
That's great information. Gosh he made a nice pistol.
Blown away with your help.
Ata Marie
( Have a wonderful day)
Chris

 

[Notchy Bob]

Very nice. It looks like a Turn-Off pistol, which is loaded at the breech by unscrewing the barrel; note the *** on the barrel bottom to catch the wrench. (It's more a Pocket Pistol or Muff Pistol than a Boot Pistol).
Some interesting info on a "Cole" of Boston (Boston, ENGLAND):
"The 1841 (Boston) census finds John Cole, a teenager, living on Liquorpond Street (map) in Boston. His occupation is listed as gunmaker’s apprentice."
And;
John Cole and Clara Usher may well have been childhood friends, in any case, they married on Christmas Day 1845. He was 23 and she was 22.
The Lincolnshire Chronicle and General Advertiser recorded their marriage on January 2 1846. (p 5)
At Boston, on Christmas day, (by the Rev F. Firman, curate) Mr John Cole, gunmaker, of Bridge Street, to Clara, youngest daughter of the late Captain Usher, of Liquorpond street.
And;
Cole, John, South Melbourne, was born in Boston, Lincolnshire, England, in 1822, and arrived in Melbourne in 1853, after having been shipwrecked on the Brazilian coast. Mr Cole has for many years carried on the business of lock and gun smith, and in the former capacity has had numerous business transactions with the banking and commercial community, while in the latter he was favourably regarded by sportsmen.

~~ I think he took one of his own pistols with him when he sailed to Australia, which may be the one you have.

~Bob

I think this may be your guy
https://maddenfamilyhistory.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/john-cole/

Great post, @PathfinderNC ! That's excellent research, and it provides a clear and complete answer to the OP's question. That's the kind of thing I like to see here on this forum.

@Pukatea Bay Boy , you got yourself a nice shooting outfit there. The kit looks to be complete, and in great shape for its age, and it appears it might possibly be the actual pistol Mr. Cole brought with him to Australia. Wow!

Are there any cast balls, or a mould in the kit? I would be interesting in knowing the bore size.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[Bayer1957]

Very nice. It looks like a Turn-Off pistol, which is loaded at the breech by unscrewing the barrel; note the *** on the barrel bottom to catch the wrench. (It's more a Pocket Pistol or Muff Pistol than a Boot Pistol).
Some interesting info on a "Cole" of Boston (Boston, ENGLAND):
"The 1841 (Boston) census finds John Cole, a teenager, living on Liquorpond Street (map) in Boston. His occupation is listed as gunmaker’s apprentice."
And;
John Cole and Clara Usher may well have been childhood friends, in any case, they married on Christmas Day 1845. He was 23 and she was 22.
The Lincolnshire Chronicle and General Advertiser recorded their marriage on January 2 1846. (p 5)
At Boston, on Christmas day, (by the Rev F. Firman, curate) Mr John Cole, gunmaker, of Bridge Street, to Clara, youngest daughter of the late Captain Usher, of Liquorpond street.
And;
Cole, John, South Melbourne, was born in Boston, Lincolnshire, England, in 1822, and arrived in Melbourne in 1853, after having been shipwrecked on the Brazilian coast. Mr Cole has for many years carried on the business of lock and gun smith, and in the former capacity has had numerous business transactions with the banking and commercial community, while in the latter he was favourably regarded by sportsmen.

~~ I think he took one of his own pistols with him when he sailed to Australia, which may be the one you have.

~Bob

I think this may be your guy
https://maddenfamilyhistory.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/john-cole/

This agrees with the information in the Book (International registry of gunsmiths).

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Kia Ora from NZ.
I have recently acquired a old Boot pistol.
( forgive me ) if post 1865?.
I would take a guess & say earlier?
In NZ there's some good Antigue muzzleloaders.
But I've never heard of Coles.
Would anyone have any information on my pistol.
Funny story.
I thought it was London on engraving
I see now it's Boston.
Kia Ora Tatou ( thanks very much )
Enjoy yourselves out there .

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Tatou very much.Thank you everyone for your replies and amazing information.
I really appreciate your help
Noctcy Bob.
It's a .485 buulet as Google as my eyes go on caliper??? 50 on mould come with it.
Here's a picture of accessories for you & the mold.

This agrees with the information in the Book (International registry of gunsmiths).
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Have a awsome day.
Nga mihi ( kind regards)
Chris

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

This agrees with the information in the Book (International registry of gunsmiths).
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Danke very much Mr Bayer
Wonderful reasose your book is

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Very nice. It looks like a Turn-Off pistol, which is loaded at the breech by unscrewing the barrel; note the *** on the barrel bottom to catch the wrench. (It's more a Pocket Pistol or Muff Pistol than a Boot Pistol).
Some interesting info on a "Cole" of Boston (Boston, ENGLAND):
"The 1841 (Boston) census finds John Cole, a teenager, living on Liquorpond Street (map) in Boston. His occupation is listed as gunmaker’s apprentice."
And;
John Cole and Clara Usher may well have been childhood friends, in any case, they married on Christmas Day 1845. He was 23 and she was 22.
The Lincolnshire Chronicle and General Advertiser recorded their marriage on January 2 1846. (p 5)
At Boston, on Christmas day, (by the Rev F. Firman, curate) Mr John Cole, gunmaker, of Bridge Street, to Clara, youngest daughter of the late Captain Usher, of Liquorpond street.
And;
Cole, John, South Melbourne, was born in Boston, Lincolnshire, England, in 1822, and arrived in Melbourne in 1853, after having been shipwrecked on the Brazilian coast. Mr Cole has for many years carried on the business of lock and gun smith, and in the former capacity has had numerous business transactions with the banking and commercial community, while in the latter he was favourably regarded by sportsmen.

~~ I think he took one of his own pistols with him when he sailed to Australia, which may be the one you have.

~Bob

I think this may be your guy
https://maddenfamilyhistory.wordpress.com/2020/11/12/john-cole/

Kia Ora Tatou Mr Pathfinder.
I must say Thank you VERY much.
I never expected to learn so much so fast about my pistol.
.incredible reasech you did for me.

Really appreciate it. & yes you are 100% correct the ballel dos screw off.
& little place to load in the breech there.
Mmm maybe??? Not a muzzleloader topic
Have a wonderful day out there.
Ma te wa
Nga mihi
Chris

 

[PathfinderNC]

Kia Ora Tatou Mr Pathfinder.
I must say Thank you VERY much.
I never expected to learn so much so fast about my pistol.
.incredible reasech you did for me.

Really appreciate it. & yes you are 100% correct the ballel dos screw off.
& little place to load in the breech there.
Mmm maybe??? Not a muzzleloader topic
Have a wonderful day out there.
Ma te wa
Nga mihi
Chris

Chris, I am glad that I was able to find that info for you. It was not hard using Google
I think even though this is a muzzleloader forum, your pistol fits right in because it is pre 1865. It looks like a fine gun.

 

[Pukatea Bay Boy]

Chris, I am glad that I was able to find that info for you. It was not hard using Google
I think even though this is a muzzleloader forum, your pistol fits right in because it is pre 1865. It looks like a fine gun.

OK that's good. I break the rules sometimes unevertantly...
Laungage all the time.
Can't help that ...
Proud to put Te Reo Maori language out in the world
OK.i better get going on mahi ( work)

 

[andy52]

No breaking of the rules with that pistol, Queen Anne pistols were screw barrels flintlocks in the 1700s.