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AgesofDays

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does anyone know if there is a pill or a pair of glasses or something can correct color blindness well... the red ,green ,yellow thing not true color blind ,I know this is the hunting fourum the reason I bring it here is seeing blood on dry ground cant do it that`s one reason I started into blackpowder cause of the arrows that didnt stop them dead and I lost too many deer that way ive tried the sprays and heat sensors junk with a large group here I thought maybe someone has the holy grail so to speak...
 
No miracle pill, but...

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The nose knows :grin:
 
Yellow glasses (I think) help some. A really bright white light is a help, also. Blue LED's make the blood look almost black to me, which is no help. I am "color deficient" enough to keep me out of the Marines, but blood isn't in the range I lack. A squirt/misting bottle of Hydrogen Peroxide makes the blood fizz a bright white and react differently than the spots on maple leaves and other such eye foolers.

Getting on your hands and knees sometimes helps, too. After the shot stop and just paudse and listen carefully. Often you can get audible clues what the deer is doing. If the deer does not drop in sight I wait 15 minutes before following - double that with an arrow. Then I look for disturbed leaves, blood on brush a few feet above the ground, hair, any non-blood trail disturbances as well as blood. Dragging a 25 foot piece of line and dropping it when the trail falters helps a great deal. I spiral out from the last blood drop until I pick up another, then catch the rope up to that spot. The rope behind gives a line to follow when glancing ahead (which you should do often), but remember that deer double back, button hook and jink all over to throw off predators.

Be persistant.
 
Roy,
That would be a big :nono: at least in Ohio.
Not even if brought in after the fact, to find
a downed deer. No dogs at no time when hunting
deer.
snake-eyes :confused:
Another strange one at least to me is:
It is unlawful not only to hunt with a M/L
pistol but to even have one in your possesion
while hunting deer.
 
Halftail said:
I always get a "Kick" out of these studies that say they know what things look like through animals eyes. :shake:

Beats me how they know this, maybe they were a deer in their former life... :hmm: :haha:
 
You can now "use a leashed dog to recover wounded deer". Page 18, paragraph 9, of the 2005-2006 Ohio hunting regulations book.
 
AgesofDays said:
does anyone know if there is a pill or a pair of glasses or something can correct color blindness well... the red ,green ,yellow thing not true color blind ,I know this is the hunting fourum the reason I bring it here is seeing blood on dry ground cant do it that`s one reason I started into blackpowder cause of the arrows that didnt stop them dead and I lost too many deer that way ive tried the sprays and heat sensors junk with a large group here I thought maybe someone has the holy grail so to speak...

Don't know if you mean daytime or when it's too dark to see well...but when blood trailing a deer shot right at dark is to use a Coleman lantern...extremely bright light and somewhow almost makes the blood trail luminous, glisten, etc...when I bowhunted, it was usually at the end of the day and talking the shots right at black dark meant trailing in the dark even if if the buck only went 50yds...Coleman lantern made it simple.
 
Roundball,
i agree on the Coleman latern.I helped my best friend find his first Bow killed deer a few years back after dark with a Coleman lantern.Makes Blood stand out like a shithouse in a fogstorm. :winking:
 
WADR, why are all of you " Blood trailing", instead of tracking that deer? Blood is like icing on a cake. Its nice to have, but don't plan on it. For those of you who insist on bloodtrailing, please make a note that a walking deer( whitetail) will drop blood about every four feet. So, cut a stick that is that long- about to most men's elbows, and place it next to a drop of blood, and then walk in the direction you think(?) the deer went and look near the end of your stick for the next droplet of blood.

A ski pole is about the right length for this exercise, and has a handle, and a wrist strap. All you need to do is soak the basket at the bottom of the pole in boiling water poured into a bucket, for about 5 minutes, and twist the basked and pull it out and off. replace it with a rubber chair bumper you can buy at your hardware store.

I use converted ski poles as tracking sticks, with my students so they can use rubber bands, or o rings, on the pole to set the length of a footprint they want to follow, and then set a measurement for the step interval for the tracks they are following. Deer are alternating gait walkers, that indirectly register their rear footprints on top of the front footprints. The tracks appear as a smudge or doubling, when you look at the walls of the track. Doubling of the walls on the outside of the tracks indicates you are tracking a buck; doubling on the inside of the tracks indicates you are tracking a doe. Assuming you know what sex the animal you shot was, you can now eliminate half the deer tracks in the forest. Measure the length of both back and front feet, and then draw a picture of each toe on each foot( 2 each) looking for accidental injuries, or anomalies in the edge of the track that will distinguish your deer from all others the same sex and size. Establish the step interval and finding the next track involves nothing more than moving your tracking stick from one track to the next. Remember the L-R gait, just like humans. If the track you are looking represents the left two feet of your buck, you will look ahead and slightly to the right to find the next track. How difficult is that to do, guy?

When you know how to follow tracks, blood simply is relegated to being the icing on the cake. I use the presense of blood to confirm that I am on the right tracks, to tell me the general condition of the animal I am tracking, and from the color and other characteristics of the blood, where on his anatomy the deer is wounded. This information gives me a plan on how to track the deer, how much to press him, or not, and how slowly I have to move through the woods as I track him.
 
WADR, why are all of you " Blood trailing", instead of tracking that deer?

Paul,
This Particular Deer was shot poorly in the liver and went for almost 500 yards in some of the thickest swamps Nova Scotia has to offer.Some of the tracking was with just tracks as you can understand that a Liver shot deer will in fact stop bleeding from time to time.Another reason for me Blood trailing is I like to be sure Im tracking a wounded deer and not a perfectly healthy one.There are many deer in the Woods.Another reason,My Daddy taught me to Blood trail and we never loose one.
Another reason,The bowhunters course relied heavily on Blood trail methods.I could go on and on.....But you probably get my point.
As far as your theory about the every 4 foot Blood drop from a walking deer.I'm not sure that's all that reliable either.
However this is just my opinion but I believe it to be true. :)
 
There is a product I use at work called Luminol. It is a chemical reaction with blood that will glow. However, it needs to be dark to see. Not sure if they have such a product on the market for hunters. "Sirchie" is the name of a company that sells Police Evidence collection products.

On the subject of blood tracking, I also have experience with Blood Spatter in my work. Basically it is the study of trace blood evidence left behind at the scene. Depending on the shape of the blood spatter, one can tell the approximate location of the origin to within a soccer ball size area. It will also tell you if it is a high velocity spatter vs. a low velocity spatter or cast off.

It will also tell you the approximate height and direction from where the blood came. I use it mostly to tell me direction, speed and volume. Real interesting.

I've used blood spatter in the field while hunting. I carry surveyors (sp?) tape when tracking. I mark each blood spatter spot with the tape before moving on. After a while you'll see a direction. Also if the blood trail ends, you'll have a last blood spatter mark to go back to. Your results may vary! :hatsoff:
 
Musketman said:
Halftail said:
I always get a "Kick" out of these studies that say they know what things look like through animals eyes. :shake:

Beats me how they know this, maybe they were a deer in their former life... :hmm: :haha:

They should be able to tell what colors a deer can see by the amount and types rods and cone in the eye.[url] http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/eyetr.html[/url]
 
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I know the bowhunting Association teaches blood trailing. So what? They are wrong, too. As to the tip I gave you, don't use it if you think I am wrong. Its no skin off my nose. I have only been a tracker for more than 50 years, and have lost count on the number of deer I have tracked that dropped blood every four feet or so when walking. I was sceptical about it when a friend first told me, and then showed me when we were tracking a deer together, so I can understand your scepticism, too. I just told you how to tell one deer from another. If you want to continue to have trouble following deer, and aren't interested in learning how to do it better, that is your problem, not mine. I bothered to write you about this for both your benefit, and for the benefit of other readers. I don't like tracking liver shot deer, either. But the blood is very dark, almost black, when you do find it, and no deer survives a hit to the liver. If you don't push them, such a deer will find a cold shaded spot to lie down in, and if left alone, will die there in its bed. Wounded deer respond to the high fever that occurs when they are filled with adrenalin. To get cool again, they look for water, mudd, and cool dark places to bed down.

Oh, you can determine eye dominance from the way the tracks appear, also. Because deer are prey species their eyes are on the sides of their head, and they do not have binocular vision like man has. To look forward, a deer has to turn his head to one side or the other. Being a mammal, a deer has a dominant side, and eye, just like us. To look forward, he will turn his head so that his dominant eye looks forward. That shifts his weight forward on that side front foot. and the front foot will step just a little " long " in comparison to the non-dominant front foot. A right eye dominant Buck will leave tracks that show a doubling to the front edge of the impression, and to the outside of the impression, the clear imprint being made by the rear foot stepping almost on the track left by the front foot.

Eye dominance will tell you which trail to look for that next blood spot you prefer to follow, when the trail comes to a fork. All things being equal, the deer will take the fork on the dominant side of his body. One exception will be if by going the other way he reaches water sooner, or a dark shaded cool place that is secluded enough that he can't be seen by a pursuer( think wolves, or other dogs), while he lays up and tries to stop the bleeding.

I have tracked wounded deer with a couple of experienced Bowhunting Association trained Blood trackers who left the woods full of toilet paper which they placed on every blood spot. They never once looked back to see what the toilet paper trail was telling them about the eye dominance of the deer! If they had, they would have clearly seen that the deer was constantly going to the Right, which I told the property owner, and the shooter within a couple of minutes examining the tracks when we began. The owner was the host for the hunt, and was a retired Dep. Sheriff. He had wanted to see how I tracked deer, so he stayed with me as I showed him how I did it, and showed him each succeeding track, all while our heroes were dropping TP all over the woods. It became a tortoise and the hare kind of " race", although I was not competing with them at all. They finally got discouraged after we passed three separate forks where the deer went Right, and they went Left, searching in wider arcs for blood, until I took pity on them and told them we had blood over on the trail we were following. They marched off, walking away from the trail to check a river crossing about 150 yds North of us, saying the deer probably crossed the river there. I already knew the deer was circling back towards where he was shot(South), but they were not in the mood to listen. The deer, unfortunately, made if off the farm, and into some thick pines on the neighbor's property, where we would have had to crawled on our bellies to follow it. And, we didn't have permission to trespass or hunt there. The deer bedded down for awhile before leaving our property, and the location of the blood at the bed told me the slug had grazed the deer across the chest, and that the wound was clotting nicely.

If you think you can find more deer blood trailing, than I can tracking, my hat is off to you. However, what do you do when the blood trail stops? Or you don't have any blood to follow?
 
If you think you can find more deer blood trailing, than I can tracking, my hat is off to you. However, what do you do when the blood trail stops? Or you don't have any blood to follow?
Paul,
Not once did I say that I could find more deer blood than you.I said that I was having no Problems with my methods and have found many Deer over the years.
What do I do when the Blood stops?Cut small slow circles at first carefully looking things over then make my slow deliberate circles wider untill I find more sign.That's how I do it.Are you going to say that That don't work also?Because if you did you'd be wrong.I'm sure your a good tracker as I can tell by your knowledge of your posts but I also have 100% confidence in my methods and when someone tells me I'm wrong,I'm going to say I Aint.
 
Halftail said:
If you think you can find more deer blood trailing, than I can tracking, my hat is off to you. However, what do you do when the blood trail stops? Or you don't have any blood to follow?
Paul,
Not once did I say that I could find more deer blood than you.I said that I was having no Problems with my methods and have found many Deer over the years.
What do I do when the Blood stops?Cut small slow circles at first carefully looking things over then make my slow deliberate circles wider untill I find more sign.That's how I do it.Are you going to say that That don't work also?Because if you did you'd be wrong.I'm sure your a good tracker as I can tell by your knowledge of your posts but I also have 100% confidence in my methods and when someone tells me I'm wrong,I'm going to say I Aint.

This is so funny, and predictable
:rotf:
 
:grin: sorry

but if it is the difference of losing and not losing game, I do not believe any one would have an issue with a dog on a leash.

Also here are small game and big game season coincides on Forest Service.
 
halftail. This post started with someone complaining about what to do if you are color blind and can't see red blood. My answer is not to follow blood at all, but learn to see, read and trail tracks. You work in ever greater arcs to find the next blood when it stops. I look about 16-20 inches around my last known track to find the next one. I think you are working too hard, even if you do have success.
 

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