Colt 1860 Vs Remington New Model thread is closed, so here is another opinion

[Stantheman86]

A question please, and don't turn this into whats better. I'm talking about long term value for my heirs. A while ago my good buddy and I decided to take a couple of pistols out of our bulk buy. They are all originals and in mostly great shape. He already took a 1849 and a 1860. I took a 1849 and still have a pick coming. I don't know if I should take a 4 screw 1860 or a 1863 govt contact New Army Remington, I'm having a hard time deciding. I'm only thinking about the value when my two Son's get my estate. All numbers and condition match in both, and both could be shooters.

There will never be another Colt and the name Colt is a household name. They will always be valuable because even in 100 years people will still be fascinated by the Wild West, the "gun that made all men equal " and the Colt Six Shooter. There will never not be a market for original Colts, long after we're all gone people will still know who Sam Colt was.

A Remington will just be another old "Civil War revolver". Ask a non-gun person who Eliphalet Remington was then ask them who Sam Colt was.

An investment is an investment, even if someone doesn't care about history or guns they will buy a Colt as something to put away to sell later.

 

[11Bravo]

There will never be another Colt and the name Colt is a household name. They will always be valuable because even in 100 years people will still be fascinated by the Wild West, the "gun that made all men equal " and the Colt Six Shooter. There will never not be a market for original Colts, long after we're all gone people will still know who Sam Colt was.

A Remington will just be another old "Civil War revolver". Ask a non-gun person who Eliphalet Remington was then ask them who Sam Colt was.

An investment is an investment, even if someone doesn't care about history or guns they will buy a Colt as something to put away to sell later.

Thank you, you put into the right perspective that made my course very clear. The 1860 goes into my safe, now I can start figuring out a price on the other 9 and move them.

 

[Stantheman86]

Thank you, you put into the right perspective that made my course very clear. The 1860 goes into my safe, now I can start figuring out a price on the other 9 and move them.

I've never heard of any other name that sells guns like Colt and especially an original

The oldest "real" Colt I own is from the 1920s but still, it's the real deal . That's why I want to order a new Single Action Army in .45 LC.....because it's not a repro it's a Colt. After I'm dead hopefully someone doesn't ignore my little notebook and hock it for $500

 

[11Bravo]

I looked a bit more closely at my Colt and it was not part of a contract, no inspectors marks. With serial number 16,593 it was made in 1861 so carried during the time of the CW. By whom thats anybodies guess but the condition is better than I thought, color case is still very visible on the frame and some blue is still showing on barrel. Safety pins are still there and not snapped off as I have seen on others.

 

[Stantheman86]

I looked a bit more closely at my Colt and it was not part of a contract, no inspectors marks. With serial number 16,593 it was made in 1861 so carried during the time of the CW. By whom thats anybodies guess but the condition is better than I thought, color case is still very visible on the frame and some blue is still showing on barrel. Safety pins are still there and not snapped off as I have seen on others.

Does it have the "military " or "civilian" blue and grip finish?

I would think, in 1861, the vast majority of 1860 Armies went to the military. Even if it's a "civilian " sale it's entirely possible an Officer purchased his own weapon.

If it doesn't look like it was used hard, it likely may have carried by someone who actually owned it and not beat by a guy who didn't give a crap about it because it was Govt property

 

[11Bravo]

Here is two quick pictures as I have to leave for skeet soon.

 

[Stantheman86]

Here is two quick pictures as I have to leave for skeet soon.

That's a very nice one, I'm not an expert on the contract Colts, it's hard to see what kind of blue it had . I'm sure 1860s that were made for civilian sales got put into shipments for contracts. I think individual States also ordered guns from Colt and also the option that Officers had to supply their own sidearm.

Did a Colt Letter give you any more info on it?

 

[11Bravo]

With Christmas coming and bills to pay, paying Colt archives too much money at this time is not in the cards. To be honest I have the BP, I have the lead, if I had #10 caps and .454 RBs I would shoot it. I may liven it up this summer. I don't believe in owning a tool without using it, at least once.

 

[Walkabout]

One thing I've noticed about the Remington is the generous trigger guard compared to the Colt. Something to consider for gloved winter shooting.

 

[11Bravo]

One thing I've noticed about the Remington is the generous trigger guard compared to the Colt. Something to consider for gloved winter shooting.

That didn't enter into my thoughts on the decision, what did is I recall the Remington uses the same sized ball as my ROA .457. Which I have both a mold and cast balls. I might be confusing it with the Rogers & Spencer though?

 

[Bad Karma]

That didn't enter into my thoughts on the decision, what did is I recall the Remington uses the same sized ball as my ROA .457. Which I have both a mold and cast balls. I might be confusing it with the Rogers & Spencer though?

It really depends on the manufacturer. Uberti generally want at least. 454” balls and .457 work too. They usually have .450-.452” chambers. Pietta 44’s always used to want .451” (.449- chamber) unless it’s the Shooters Model which requires the .457 ball.

 

[JRL1164]

It really depends on the manufacturer. Uberti generally want at least. 454” balls and .457 work too. They usually have .450-.452” chambers. Pietta 44’s always used to want .451” (.449- chamber) unless it’s the Shooters Model which requires the .457 ball.

My newer model Pietta's are now referencing .454" balls. I know a lot of users shoot .451" but I've always shot .454". Mine are newer though 2021 so can't speak to anything prior.

 

[sauce_e36]

I just bought a set of nipples from the guy on Ebay who turns them to accept red toy caps

They are only 30 bucks a set, he says he's been using them for years , he shoots 300 rounds per week with red caps and the ones with white primer work well, and even ignite Pyrodex

They still will take standard caps so I figured it's worth a shot if I can pick up Parris toy caps for 3 bucks per 200 at a grocery store and use them for range plinking.

Can you send a link to that guy?