Confused about measuring powder

[Katahdin]

There is a Gun Builder right there in your town that might be able to point you in the correct direction He is listed in the Muzzle Loader Magazine,,,

 

[Rifleman1776]

As others have said, ignition with the flinter and Pyrodex will be very problematic. You do not live all that far from Union City, TN where Dixie Gun Works is located. Head down there and get a few pounds of real black powder and some flints. Incidentially, 100 gr. charges are more than you will probably need for hunting critters in your area. Around 70 gr. should suffice for deer, hogs and even black bear.

 

[longcruise]

I'm not a flint guy, so maybe you can clarify this. Would there be a tendency for 4f to spill out the flash hole if used as the "booster"?

 

[Rifleman1776]

I'm not a flint guy, so maybe you can clarify this. Would there be a tendency for 4f to spill out the flash hole if used as the "booster"?

Might be a little of that. But that is not what he is concerned with. 4Fg is much "hotter" than larger granulations and could create excess unsafe pressures. Not saying it will but "could". Not worth the risk.

 

[Katahdin]

took awhile but I found it,,Mike Miller
4020 Minnich Ave.
Paducah KY 4200
270-210-6014
http://www.millerlongrifles.com
He might have a source for BP if nothing else he has rifles to look at and might have a moment to takl..what's not to love!!!!

 

[necchi]

4Fg is much "hotter" than larger granulations and could create excess unsafe pressures. Not saying it will but "could". Not worth the risk.

??
I'm calling :bull:
What part of this is hard to understand?

Hodgdon's "Basic Muzzleloading Manual" (free where they sell Pyrodex or Triple 7, or see on Hodgdon's web site) says about using Triple Seven and Pyrodex: "Flintlocks: to insure proper ignition in flintlock systems, 5 grains of FFFFG priming powder should be placed into the bore prior to loading the main charge of Triple Seven or Pyrodex...."

 

[Grizzly Adams]

The 1:48 twist rate is not a "compromise" twist and is found in many muzzle loaders of the 18th century on up to the present.

With regards to TC guns at least, it is somewhat of a compromise. It allows the shooter to shoot a roundball or a conical maxi ball. Usually, not always (as you pointed out), a roundball twist is around 1/56" and a conical twist is around 1/28". TC used a 1/48" to meet those two twist rates in the middle so it would shoot round balls and conicals adequately.

 

[Rifleman1776]

4Fg is much "hotter" than larger granulations and could create excess unsafe pressures. Not saying it will but "could". Not worth the risk.

??
I'm calling :bull:
What part of this is hard to understand?

Hodgdon's "Basic Muzzleloading Manual" (free where they sell Pyrodex or Triple 7, or see on Hodgdon's web site) says about using Triple Seven and Pyrodex: "Flintlocks: to insure proper ignition in flintlock systems, 5 grains of FFFFG priming powder should be placed into the bore prior to loading the main charge of Triple Seven or Pyrodex...."

I have no issue with five grains. The temptation to use 50 grains is a possible concern.

 

[coloradoclyde]

4Fg is much "hotter" than larger granulations and could create excess unsafe pressures. Not saying it will but "could". Not worth the risk.

??
I'm calling :bull:
What part of this is hard to understand?

Hodgdon's "Basic Muzzleloading Manual" (free where they sell Pyrodex or Triple 7, or see on Hodgdon's web site) says about using Triple Seven and Pyrodex: "Flintlocks: to insure proper ignition in flintlock systems, 5 grains of FFFFG priming powder should be placed into the bore prior to loading the main charge of Triple Seven or Pyrodex...."

Well....I wasn't going to say anything ...but...I have run into issues using Hodgon data in the cartridge word....in fact my standing rule is to never use hodgon reloading data that cannot be confirmed by at least two other manuals....

But everyone is welcome to do as they please...soooo......if ya want to use 4f I won't get in your way...... :grin:

What we can do.......and what we should do....are not always the same thing...
:v

 

[necchi]

The temptation to use 50 grains is a possible concern.

Amen to that.
And sadly we see so much of that with new to BP shooters,
They think if a little is good then a lot is better!! :td:
It just ain't so,,

We always see that 1-2 weeks before Deer Season;
"Whats the best Magnum load for my gun?"
"What's the max load,, " "? "

p.s. Clyde; I use Nosler and Sierra, I'll look at Hodgon's manual but only as a cross reference.

 

[coloradoclyde]

The temptation to use 50 grains is a possible concern.

Amen to that.
And sadly we see so much of that with new to BP shooters,
They think if a little is good then a lot is better!! :td:
It just ain't so,,

We always see that 1-2 weeks before Deer Season;
"Whats the best Magnum load for my gun?"
"What's the max load,, " "? "

p.s. Clyde; I use Nosler and Sierra, I'll look at Hodgon's manual but only as a cross reference.

Gents...I think we all are in agreement. :thumbsup:

 

[longrifle78]

Shooter supply in Paducah sells black powder.

 

[Grenadier1758]

The 1:48 twist rate is not a "compromise" twist and is found in many muzzle loaders of the 18th century on up to the present.

Now we are getting into the realm of our statements needing the qualifier of "it depends ". When the rifling is deep such as
0.010 or more, it can be a good twist rate for a tightly patched round ball. In the T/C rifles the 1 in 48 twist is a compromise since the button rifling is only 0.005" deep to allow good engagement of the Maximal. Even so reasonably good results can be obtained with a tightly patched ball with a modest 60 to 75 grain (volume) powder charge.

When Sam and Jake Hawken cut their rifling at 1 in 48, the grooves were 12 to 14 thousandths deep.

 

[tenngun]

This has been kicked around before, but I prime with 3 f or 2 f if that's what's in my horn. I can tell no difference with 3 or 4 as a primer. When shooting make believe powder I do carry a 2 oz flask stuck in my bag. About 40 shots worth. I hate the idea of having to carry a priming horn, but it's tha cost of fake powder.

 

[ohio ramrod]

Since many original muzzle loaders used 1/48 twist the twist cann't be considered a "compromise". But since the originals used either a deeper cut rifling for round balls. or a shallower cut rifling for mini's the .005 dept of the T.C.s can be considered a compromise. But then this is just my personal opinion and is worth exactly what you paid for it.! :idunno:

 

[Dewey]

Shooter supply in Paducah sells black powder.

Or several places on the internet:
https://www.powderinc.com/cgi-bin/...N=enter&thispage=order.htm&ORDER_ID=!ORDERID!

Bite the bullet, order 5 lbs (think of it as a hedge against inflation) and use the REAL STUFF !!!


Problem solved !!!!