Coning tool

[Jfoster]

Going to be doing a build soon. I want to cone the muzzle. Have seen videos on it, they always suggest the firelock shop. I cant seem to be able to find a website or anything for the shoo though. Anyone know where i can locate one or how to get in touch with that shop?

Thanks
GB

 

[Black Hand]

I want to cone the muzzle.

Why?

 

[Jfoster]

Easier loading and lack of need for a short starter.

 

[Black Hand]

You don't need a short starter even if your barrel isn't coned and loading isn't all that difficult either.

 

[Jfoster]

My prior experience (with TC Hawkens, inline percussion, and others) says otherwise. Thats just my experience. Ive never been able to seat the ball just inside the muzzle with my thumb. Ive always needed the use of a short starter.

 

[Black Hand]

My prior experience (with TC Hawkens, inline percussion, and others) says otherwise.

That explains the issue.
I can thumb-start the ball in my 62 caliber barrel - 60 caliber ball & 0.015-0.017 pillow ticking patch lubed with Bear grease. Get a good-quality barrel with a proper crown and you shouldn't have an issue.

 

[Jfoster]

I will take that in to consideration. In the mean time id still like to try to source one in case i still decide to do it.

 

[necchi]

I want to cone the muzzle.

Why?

And here we go again.
The topic wasn't, "Should I cone or not"
There's a sticky about that. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/223037/
It was about a tool. So please save us,,

 

[hawkeye2]

Necchi, thanks for bringing this back on track.

This is old but worth a try. It looks like a good tool:

Ed Hamberg
1008 Logan
Alton, Il 62002
[email protected]

Also try this, no web site:

Joe Woods, his tool highly recomended. The Firelock Shop is business in AMARILLO, 79109 United States. The Firelock Shop phone number is (806) 352-3032

 

[Flint62Smoothie]

I tested both for runout and just due to the inherent design the Joe Woods tool is a more precise tool, i.e., the other one is subject to runout due to the threaded hole feature and use of a threaded jag, both which contribute to runout.

 

[Jfoster]

Thanks. I will give them a call. The joe woods was the one i was looking for specifically.

 

[BrownBear]

I have a number of Joe's tools, and they do a super job. Never any loss of accuracy and lots easier loading with no short starter needed.

 

[Jfoster]

Do you know off hand the average cost?

 

[Black Hand]

I want to cone the muzzle.

Why?

And here we go again.
The topic wasn't, "Should I cone or not"
There's a sticky about that. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/223037/
It was about a tool. So please save us,,

Legitimate response to the statement. I don't care if he didn't ask, I will still give him the other perspective. Sometimes people want to do something because of incomplete or faulty information and it would be dishonest to let them proceed without the rest of the story (they don't know what they don't know)...

 

[BrownBear]

Don't recall, I bought them so many years ago. At least 10 years back. If forced kicking and screaming to make a guess it was in the realm of $40-$60 apiece, cuzz I bought three and didn't feel much pain.

 

[Jfoster]

Appreciate it.

 

[MSW]

What BrownBear said!!

if I remember correctly, the last Woods' tool I purchased was $45 or so.

Some folks claim that it's the quickest way to ruin an otherwise perfectly good barrel, but I've never had an accuracy problem with any of my post- cone barrels. If anything, since they're easier to use, i'm more likely to go out and practice with them.

good luck with your project!

 

[Elnathan]

Be aware that the Joe Woods tool gives a much longer cone than seems to be the norm historically. The handful original cones that I have measured tend to have to run approximately .02" and be around 3/8-1/2" deep. Others who have measured originals for coning report similar dimensions.*

Originals usually have the rifling filed out to match the cone and virtually no crown, just enough to break the hard corner at the bore. Very different from modern barrel treatments.


*The caveat is that calipers only reach so far into the barrel and one has to operate by feel. This is compound by the fact that many/most originals have an odd number of grooves, so the caliper is measuring from a land to the bottom of a groove. Throw in wear and tear at the muzzle and it is quite difficult top get a precise measurement. However, there does seem to be a consistent pattern.

 

[Rifleman1776]

I want to cone the muzzle.

As a relative newcomer to this ml game, I suggest you wait until you have more experience with your rifle. Then decided if you still feel a need to cone. It can always be done. But, once done, you cannot put the steel back as original. With shooting you will probably forget you ever thought you had a need to cone. Consider, among experienced ml shooters, only a very-very tiny percentage of them cone their rifles. There has to be a reason.

 

[Davemuzz]

...There has to be a reason.

They don't have the coning tool? :rotf: :rotf: