Continual trouble inserting Uberti 1858 cylinder

[45D]

Oddly enough the Remington design won out to this current day and the Colt style was dropped.

Well not really. The Military requested a top strap design. The '71/'72 Open Top was to be Colts entry. Of course the Model P was then offered.

So there may be some and some, Colt better for BP and Rem for cartridges? Yea verily where does that leave us with Cartridge conversions?

Again, not really. Turns out the open-top platform is quite capable of handling 45acp+p loads . . . better than many modern "top strap" revolvers . . . ( the Colt Mod P for instance!)
Remington's do very well with conversions but I haven't had a chance to test any "heavy" loads yet ( it's in the very near future . . . like maybe next week).

Now with all due respect the Colt style looks like something out of the depths of the ocean for not aesthetically pleasing (sometimes known as ugly)

That said the biggest baddest one of all (Colt Walker) is the one that appeals to me. Sometimes ugly just has beauty of its own.

And sometimes beauty can be in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, the eye of the beholder. I for one think they are by far the finest looking revolvers ever produced.

This is all I can show of this one since it's. . well . . unmentionable . . .

 

[Smokerr]

That is what I find funny about myself in regards to a Walker Colt. To me it looks crude as a stone ax, but dang it appeals!

You could put on on the end of a wood shaft and use it to beat someone to a pulp (or just reverse the gun or hit them with the barrel)

 

[CaptainVane]

I can change a cylinder (if i had an extra cylinder) way way faster on my Colt 51 than my Rem 58.
I can never get the cylinder back into the Rem without a fight in under 10 minutes. Ive watched every utube and it just won’t happen.
There is a very fine line where both the hand and bolt are recessed. Infinitesimally small.
I can change the Colt in under 5 seconds.
As for looks, I always wanted the Rem, now that i have both, the Colt is my favorite. The Colt gets attention at the range, it looks like something from the 1850’s. The Rem looks very modern and until it smokes nobody knows its BP.

 

[45D]

I can never get the cylinder back into the Rem without a fight in under 10 minutes. Ive watched every utube and it just won’t happen.
There is a very fine line where both the hand and bolt are recessed. Infinitesimally small.

Unbelievable!! If you roll the cylinder while inserting it, it will push the hand out of the way and move on in. I've never had a problem with it.

Holding the hammer back "just so" ( like some videos suggest) invites "Beauty rings" on your cylinder.

 

[gnappi]

Unbelievable!! If you roll the cylinder while inserting it, it will push the hand out of the way and move on in. I've never had a problem with it.

Holding the hammer back "just so" ( like some videos suggest) invites "Beauty rings" on your cylinder.

Yeah, I discovered this roll technique by accident but the "just so" helps and luckily I don't care about rings on the cylinder. Those are put there so the next owner can cuss me.

 

[Blitz]

I agree.

The Colt’s is such a superior design, I oft wonder why the Remington is even still produced. The Colt’s handles fouling perfectly, has a strong loading lever, cylinders go on and off with no fuss, look 100x better, the list goes on and on.

Ditch the ugly stupid Remington trash and pick up a Colt’s. You won’t be going back!

That is a hoot even Colt disagrees with you as well as every other revolver manf. in the world. knowledge is the watchword.
the simple easy solution is to learn the proper way to use a tool . Many things are difficult at first so get some inst. from a knowledgeable person .
There are plenty on this forum.
Don`t be imperial and kill the messenger, or you will never be knowledgeble.
It`s so easy a caveman can do it

 

[Smokerr]

Unbelievable!! If you roll the cylinder while inserting it, it will push the hand out of the way and move on in. I've never had a problem with it.

Holding the hammer back "just so" ( like some videos suggest) invites "Beauty rings" on your cylinder.

You should never dismiss someone else issue when you don't have it, far to many variables involved and these are far from precision mfg guns (see Uberti and the arbor issue)

1. Cylinder do vary in length as can all the dimensions it sits in and the barrel into the frame.
2. Timing is very variable to the point its way off.
3. Hand length can factor in.

I was a mechanic/technician/engineer positions for 35 years.

While not as bad, I do have issues with the cylinder install and removal and rotating the cylinder does not solve that.

And you clearly do get get the hammer hold back. The ASP NMA required that until I fixed it (the bolt was back out at half cock). The ROA developed it and I have the so called "ring" on the cylinders now. Partial cock has the bolt down and lets me remove and install the cylinder.

Confirmation Bias is a bad thing, just because it does not happen to you does not mean it does not happen.

 

[Smokerr]

This is all I can show of this one since it's. . well . . unmentionable . . .

Well it is a beautiful hostler that is for sure.

 

[45D]

You should never dismiss someone else issue when you don't have it, far to many variables involved and these are far from precision mfg guns (see Uberti and the arbor issue)

1. Cylinder do vary in length as can all the dimensions it sits in and the barrel into the frame.
2. Timing is very variable to the point its way off.
3. Hand length can factor in.

I was a mechanic/technician/engineer positions for 35 years.

While not as bad, I do have issues with the cylinder install and removal and rotating the cylinder does not solve that.

And you clearly do get get the hammer hold back. The ASP NMA required that until I fixed it (the bolt was back out at half cock). The ROA developed it and I have the so called "ring" on the cylinders now. Partial cock has the bolt down and lets me remove and install the cylinder.

Confirmation Bias is a bad thing, just because it does not happen to you does not mean it does not happen.

Rolling cylinders while installing has always been the technique. It forces the hand back to allow insertion. You do that with the hammer in the half cock position. If the bolt head is proud of the bolt window ( at half cock), you have a wear issue, timing issue or a dimension tolerance issue. Correct timing and setup allows "correct " installation. Of course, your free to do as you want with your own revolver but it's never "bad" to do things "correctly".
As for the ROA (and Rugers in general), the biggest design problem is the weak spring and plunger which allows throw-by ( cylinder over rotation) and exacerbated with the NM feature allowing cyl rotation by just opening the loading gate. It's become common practice to close the gate and roll the cyl to lockup = accepted beauty rings.

Mike

 

[45D]

Well it is a beautiful hostler that is for sure.

Thank you, GYJ is a master!!

 

[CaptainVane]

Unbelievable!! If you roll the cylinder while inserting it, it will push the hand out of the way and move on in. I've never had a problem with it.

Holding the hammer back "just so" ( like some videos suggest) invites "Beauty rings" on your cylinder.

good for you, dont work for me.

 

[brushblind]

I also have a Uberti 1858 that I purchased about a year and a half ago. Same problem as above. It never goes back into the frame without a fight. Has the same sharp pointed hand that seems to catch the rear of the cylinder. This 1858 has been a problem child from new. Loading lever link broke loading the second cylinder full. Have a loading press but with the PIA getting cylinder back in not inclined to use it. I much prefer the ease of removing and replacing the cylinders on the Colts. This particular revolver has ruined me on the Remington.

Just as post #2 says works the best for me.

 

[Blitz]

You should never dismiss someone else issue when you don't have it, far to many variables involved and these are far from precision mfg guns (see Uberti and the arbor issue)

1. Cylinder do vary in length as can all the dimensions it sits in and the barrel into the frame.
2. Timing is very variable to the point its way off.
3. Hand length can factor in.

I was a mechanic/technician/engineer positions for 35 years.

While not as bad, I do have issues with the cylinder install and removal and rotating the cylinder does not solve that.

And you clearly do get get the hammer hold back. The ASP NMA required that until I fixed it (the bolt was back out at half cock). The ROA developed it and I have the so called "ring" on the cylinders now. Partial cock has the bolt down and lets me remove and install the cylinder.

Confirmation Bias is a bad thing, just because it does not happen to you does not mean it does not happen.

I have 3 remington pattern revolvers so called 58s and there is a learning process just as with Colts .
the most troublesome for me was the 1849 Wells Fargo . they all take some education and getting used to , so I do not blanket one design with ridicule. Just have patience and learn about your equipment.

Blitz

 

[dracer]

my pieta 1858 rem I just pull the hammer back a little holding the cly very little pressure and move it and it just falls in

 

[Bobby44]

I agree.

The Colt’s is such a superior design, I oft wonder why the Remington is even still produced. The Colt’s handles fouling perfectly, has a strong loading lever, cylinders go on and off with no fuss, look 100x better, the list goes on and on.

Ditch the ugly stupid Remington trash and pick up a Colt’s. You won’t be going back!

I own both and am going no where. Love the Colt on range day. The Remy for fields. One of the reasons Remy goes to the field is when you change a Colt cylinder you have too many pieces in your hands. At a bench you just set them down.

 

[Blackpowderart]

Thank you, GYJ is a master!!

GYJ?

 

[nick_1]

Like anything with pistols it requires practice and lots of it. i may be the only one who does it this was but I put on half cock and don't touch the hammer after that. I slide in from the left and rotate counter clock wise. I can do it at a dead run with both my 1858's