could this be possible

[kayja]

On August 1, 1990 a new T/C New Englander completed a test firing of over 1000 consecutive shots without cleaning. The test took over five weeks to complete. The rifle loaded easily, safely, and shot more accurately than with any other lube currently available. The last four rounds fired grouped at 1 1/4" at 50 yards.[url] http://octobercountry.com/products3.php?productid=128[/url]
is this stuff great or is the shooter just a great shot?

 

[rice1817]

:bull:

I have seen that ad for years. My own experience indicates that if it is indeed true, it was done only under controlled, optimal laboratory conditions. I have used this stuff under a variety of labels, and while it is good, I never found it to be the end all to beat all. Others may have different results, but for me ten shots without cleaning using a grease-type patch lube is a lot. Only liquid type lubes like "Cat Whiz" which tend to dissolve fouling with each loading allow me to achieve extended shot strings without wiping.

For that matter, I don't see what firing 1000 shots in a row without cleaning would prove anyway.

 

[roundball]

On August 1, 1990 a new T/C New Englander completed a test firing of over 1000 consecutive shots without cleaning. The test took over five weeks to complete. The rifle loaded easily, safely, and shot more accurately than with any other lube currently available. The last four rounds fired grouped at 1 1/4" at 50 yards.[url] http://octobercountry.com/products3.php?productid=128[/url]
is this stuff great or is the shooter just a great shot?

It's not BS for a couple reasons:

1) TC is a stand up company with a real lifetime product warranty second to none and they are the ones who conducted the tests for the Natural Lube 1000 advertisement;

2) I've used TC Natural Lube 1000 and TC + Oxyoke NL1000 shooting patches for a good 15 years...I shoot 50 shot range sessions every weekend without wiping between shots and no reason to believe I couldn't keep right on shooting.

I will say that when cool winter temps come along here in NC with low humidity, dry conditions, I can't go that long unless I mircowave more NL1000 into the patches...or, switch to a wetter lube which is actually what I do in Dec/Jan/Feb...Hoppes No9 BP Plus (semi-liquid)

So yes, there's no question in my mind that TC got those advertised results.

 

[Ridge]

I've never believed it. They would have to show me that they can do it and under what conditions.

I've used this stuff and I never got anywhere near that many shots before I had to clean.

 

[Jumpshot]

Several years ago I spoke to the guy at T/C who did the inspection/maintenance of that rifle during and after that famous test. He told me that it was performed under many tightly controlled variables that would be impossible to duplicate anywhere other than a ballistics lab/range. Technically, they got the advertised results, but he said he would not believe anyone that said they also went over 1,000 shots without cleaning in the field or at a range using regular shooting supplies. Its what the ad doesnt explain that makes the difference. Im now dropping out of this thread before it turns into a war between the Miracle Muck believers and the infidels (Ive seen it happen before). Believe it or not, your choice, I care not. Im just relating what he told me.

Edit to add: Im not saying its not worth using. Its good stuff, I also use it on my patches. But its just a lube, not a miracle worker. Anyone going hundreds of shots without cleaning has simply found a great combination of many factors that contribute to it, not just a Super Slime working chemical magic. Debate the matter as you wish. Thats my two cents.

 

[Stumpkiller]

is this stuff great or is the shooter just a great shot?

I'm sure the rifle was clamped solidly in place. Even Roundball doesn't have the shoulder and patience to aim 1,000 shots downrange. :winking: Though, it was over five weeks . . . :hmm:

The stuff is good. It got me reinterested in m/l rifles after 15 years of smoothbore because I HATE to wipe between every shot. I used it for several years, but my complaint is that it is messy. Too soft and runny to carry in a tin and a in a ball block that fool yellow gets on clothing and smears everywhere.

So I came up with my Moose mixes. If it weren't for the mess factor I'd still be using the T/C lube.

 

[roundball]

I've used this stuff and I never got anywhere near that many shots before I had to clean.

Oh I hope you didn't misunderstand...I've never gotten anywhere near 1000 shots without wiping[url] either...in[/url] fact I've never shot more than 50 shots at any one session as far as I can remember...but I do that every Saturday morning year round (except during hunting season)...I've learned over the years that humidity is a huge factor.

I shoot a shot of Goex 3F, what little lube there is due to the NL1000 stays soft...the next powder charge is dropped, then when a patched ball is seated it wipes the bore clean of the little bit of soft fouling, depositing it on top of the powder charge.

Take the shot, fouling is ejected, and the bore has one fresh shot's worth of minimal fouling on it again...repeat that cycle 50 times...then I field clean & lube the bore for the long drive home.

Been using NL1000 for years and years...

 

[J.D.]

I tried it in a coupla different rifles and they didn't like it. The stuff gummed up the bores on every rifle it was used in.

IMHO, the yellow wonder lubes are the absolute worst lubes I have ever put in my guns.
J.D.

 

[roundball]

I tried it in a coupla different rifles and they didn't like it. The stuff gummed up the bores on every rifle it was used in.

IMHO, the yellow wonder lubes are the absolute worst lubes I have ever put in my guns.
J.D.

Well, it's obviously a very good product or so many people wouldn't use it...it's been flawless for me in a dozen and a half muzzleloaders over the course of 15+ years.

What I've discovered is that it's not a forgiving lube...by that I mean because it's not a liquid when it's swabbed down a bore, it doesn't "run" or "migrate" around like a liquid oil or wd40 type solution would...it basically sticks where it's put so I always repeatedly plaster it on lubing patches (from a tube) 3-4 times to ensure every square inch of bore surface is coated/insulated from the air.

But even doing that, if a user doesn't first get the bore 100% clean every time, including the use of a bore brush...then get the bore 100% bone dry...bore butter will not offset that lack of attention to those details.

If everything is done correctly however, NL1000 works perfectly...has for years and years.

 

[Slamfire]

Why don't you ask the Myth Busters? :rotf:

 

[Zonie]

Why don't you ask the Myth Busters? :rotf:

Now, that would give them something to do for about 5 weeks.
It might keep them from doing some of the other dumb things they do on their show.
:grin:

zonie

 

[renovato]

I've had pretty much the same experience with Hoppe's #9. The fouling seems to reach an equilibrium where the last shot is no dirtier than the 2nd or 3rd was. I don't know how long it'll continue like that, but it works fine for a long day of shooting without having to swab.

 

[Gordon Horn]

I wonder how much their ramrod grew after 900, or so, shots without cleaning. I've shot 40-50 shots without cleaning using Lehigh, but the ramrod was getting noticably longer. I've not, however, had that kind of luck with grease lubes. Thats just my experience. I use Wonderlube for hunting lube, but for shooting matches I like a wet lube better, like Stumpy's Moose Juice or Lehigh Original.

 

[J.D.]

I always repeatedly plaster it on lubing patches (from a tube) 3-4 times to ensure every square inch of bore surface is coated/insulated from the air.

I used the yellow miracle lubes, both as a patch lube and bore protection, and I wasn't satisfied with the results.

In the beginning, patched were rubbed into the container of lube, as was done with the better lubes. Later, when just coating the patch with lube didn't work, patches were dipped into melted lube. That was even worse.

But even doing that, if a user doesn't first get the bore 100% clean every time, including the use of a bore brush...then get the bore 100% bone dry...bore butter will not offset that lack of attention to those details.

If everything is done correctly however, NL1000 works perfectly...has for years and years.

I have been shooting the same rifle for over ten years, and shooting the bess for over twenty, and there is not a spot of rust or pitting in either one of them. So, if that is the case, the yellow miracle lubes should have worked for me.

I have other guns that are over 35 years old and the bores are in good shape. I guess that should say enough about the care in cleaning and bore preservation my guns have recieved...and I still didn't like the yellow lubes.

I'm glad that you like the way it works for you.

That said, I have talked to others who have had similar experiences as mine, and I'm just passing on my experience with the yellow miracle lubes.
J.D.

 

[jaguarxk120]

Will it grow hair on a door knob?
TF

 

[roundball]

Well, that's a strange story for sure...and I never thought of NL1000 as a miracle lube...just a good lube that hasn't failed in 15 years.

I have no "stock" in the bore butter industry so I have no false loyalty...and it would certainly be easier if all I had to do was spray some WD40 down bore or something instead of all that I do when I use NL1000.

Finally, I work hard for my money like most folks so trust me when I say if I even had a hint it was a bad product that I couldn't trust in my muzzleloaders...which are my pride and joy...I'd drop it like a hot potato.

But, that has never been the case so there's no telling what explains your experiences...
:thumbsup:

 

[barebackjack]

I use them both as well, and if it aint cold they work just fine. (Also, NL 1000 does a fine job of taking the shine down off Tru-Oil).

But for cold weather ive switched to stumpy's moose snot.

-34 degree dead air temp on a recent coyote hunt and it worked fine. (Also got my first MLer coyote using it). The yellow lubes were no good at about 20 degrees. But I like the minty smell. :grin: