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I realize CAS doesnt always fit in with the cap and ball genre of shootists games. However, any time i can get out of the present time we live in I will.
The point of this post is to ask if others have participated in CAS using Piettas and can they hold up to the 2 guns portion of Cowboy Action Shooting competitions?

Also, i would ask the low cost coach guns that will be able to function in the competitions as well.

I am new to all of this but once im in, i dive in the deep side.
 
I have participated in SASS shoots for about 25 years. I use my percussion pistols a few times a year(Ubertis or Rogers & Spencers) so I don't rely on them exclusively. Once the guns are set up correctly they are pretty reliable but you still have to contend with and accept the unique challenge they present. Since I am a traditional minded participant(not competitor) I enjoy this aspect.
Can't answer your low cost coach gun question. The last two evaluations I saw on two different brand guns was a mixed bag. One gun functioned OK and the other didn't. Don't remember the manufacturers names.
 
Thank you, that is a lot of info. I need to do some research and find get some printed material. I never liked reading on a screen.
 
It has been number of years since I shot SASS, but it can be done with Pietta (or Uberti) cap and ball guns, though the Ruger Old Army is the way to go if you get serious in my opinion, but that’s not your question.

Thoughts below in no particular order. There are more, but these come to mind.
  1. I found that I needed three guns to keep up, as something seemed to want to break or go south every few matches, even with tuned guns. To be ‘competitive’, be it against others or just yourself, it is hard on these guns. With that third gun, you won’t find yourself SOL.
  2. Get enough cylinders for an entire day’s shoot, then preload them at home before the match (no caps, just powder and ball), so you do not have to load between stages and become ‘that guy’ everyone is waiting on. You are likely to be the only cap and ball shooter at most shoots. Other shooters will be impressed when you keep up.
  3. Have multiple cappers filled and ready to go. Make sure at least one is clipped or tied to you. Easy to drop, and if you only have one….. and you are the middle of stage, it’s just like a dropped cartridge. It stays where it is dropped until you finish the stage.
  4. Grease covering the chambers didn’t work for me in the Carolinas. In the heat it tended to drip out of the chambers, through my holsters, and on to my pants and boots. A lubed felt wad between the ball and powder works, but not too wet of a lube or one that easily melts. With preloaded cylinders you can foul the powder with a wet wad.
  5. Figure out a way to identify the sixth chamber in your cylinders. That empty chamber will not go boom when you cap it and try to shoot it. It just makes an irritating pop.
  6. I always carried loaded cylinders (no caps on them) on my belt. I used leather pouches made for Ruger 10-22 magazines. There are other options. Speeds things up at the loading station/table. You may want to arrive there with no cylinders in your guns and just put the cylinders into guns instead of cylinder swapping.
Have fun.
 
I have not done it yet personally but my club is planning a percussion pistol shoot later this Fall for those of us so inclined. While I have Pietta and Uberti 1851/1861 Navy pistols I also happen to be blessed with a pair of Old Army Rugers so they will get the nod. I have talked to guys that shoot percussion a couple of times a year elsewhere and they have worked-over Piettas and do fine. I think they run the 5.5” pistols with hand spring conversions and such. Having enough cylinders pre-loaded for a match would be nice but with two guns for six stages you would need twelve, a hefty investment. I do whole heartedly agree with a spare gun though, that is not a bad idea even for regular SASS guns. I have seen guns go down at many a match and people finish up with borrowed equipment.
 
Angelariz,

I used two Colt 2nd Gen. 1851 Navies that were tuned by Goons Gun Works with the Rented Mule Service. My load was 20 g FFFg with a lubed fiber wad, and then ball. Kept the nipples clear and they did run. Sometimes a bad cap would slow you down. Usually after the 3rd scenario, a
wet patch with Windex with Ammonia-D down the barrel, and a spritz on the cylinder kept me in The Spirit of the Game.

Bobby
 
SASS has a category just for you: Frontiersman; requires BP or a sub in all 3 firearms. Handguns can be any cap & ball revolver of .36 caliber or larger (less than .50, btw), 5 or 6 shots. 5-shooters must have the hammer rested on a pin between chambers. Unlike cartridge guns, there is no minimum power factor or fps... Additionally, cap & ball revolvers are legal in EVERY SASS category, so while my comments are directed toward Frontiersman, you can enter another category & shoot that heathen smokeless in your rifle & shotgun. A couple of the categories have restrictions on bore size and model rifle or shotgun, but that's a wholly different topic.

I'll answer your Shotgun question first. Just about any firearm has an equal opportunity to come off the assembly line on Monday and Friday. You pays your money & takes your chances. However, that said, I have a pair of IGA Stoegers I bought back in 1985 when I started shooting CAS matches. The only thing I've done to either was to disconnect the "auto" safety feature. Safety still works, just doesn't engage every time you open the gun. I prefer double trigger guns, and while most are set up with the front trigger being the right bbl, a lot of folks swap the triggers as they can engage the second (rear) trigger faster. I've left mine alone. Most speed freaks in this game use a single trigger gun, the SKB 100 & 200s being the most popular, with the Browning BSS a close second. The most work will be simply smoothing up the action, polishing the chambers to aid extraction, & smoothing, lightly removing square edges off extractors. "Funnelling" the chamber mouth is touted as being the cat's meow for loading ease, but, IMO takes years off the life of the gun. I've seen relatively new guns ruined by this butchery. The shotgun is where you win or lose a match, but... practice is far more beneficial than any so-called "trick" 'smithing.

I have used a ASM 1851 since 1986 when only one sixgun was required. It has been modified with a Manhattan conversion, & a Ruger handspring & plunger. I now have 5 Colt 2nd & 3rd Gen 1851, 3 of which have the same modifications as the ASM. I do have 2 spare cylinders, but... they're in reserve, not utilized for matches, just in my spare parts inventory. My guns also have "Heinie" trigger/bolt springs ala, a Colt Peacemaker (SAA). Mostly a drop in part but might need the trigger leg shortened a bit. I now use SlixShot nipples exclusively, (I've used Tresos and factory nipples, and find the SlixShots the best of all). I typically load the two guns I'm going to shoot for the day at home (powder, lube wad & ball only), and then can simply cap at the loading table, using the same cap one, skip one, cap four that one would use with any Colt type action, this sets the pistol up that after capping that 4th in row, pull to full cock and ease the hammer down on the uncapped nipple. I do charge all six chambers, but only cap the five. I've never had a chain fire, but one could happen, I suppose, any time. After shooting my stage, and clearing my guns, I set up on the unloading table (a position to ensure everyone's guns are fully emptied at the end of the stage), and charge my guns for the next stage. I try to ensure I shoot early enough in the rotation to accomplish this. It usually takes me between 3 & 4 shooters to charge my guns. Instead of a "Manhattan" conversion one can go with a "cap rake" to keep spent caps out of the action. An "Action guard" is a new to me thing, and I can see the benefit of having one installed, tho' I haven't yet. I load my .36s with 15 grains of Goex, (probably a little less as I load from a flask with my thumb over the spout and this makes a depression in the powder the spout holds), a lubed wad (usually from Cabela's, available on-line), and a .375 round ball. I don't bother with lube over the ball, makes a mess for questionable benefit. I don't know how using a sub could affect my reliability as I haven't used them as yet... (rather since I quit back in 1987 using "rust in a can," aka: Pyrodex). I can shoot all six stages at our monthly matches without disassembling the gun, or even really wiping 'em down. (Actually, I've fired several 3-day matches without cleaning or more than a cursory wipe down between day one and the end of the match). I doubt the most strident Pyrodex supporter would attempt that)! I use a Ted Cash snail capper, usually holds enough caps for a couple of monthly matches... may need topping off if not completely full to start. I prefer Remington #10s, but have used RWS 1075s & CCI #11s. Remington #10 have a longer skirt and hold better (IMO), but often need "seating" to be fully seated. I either use a bit of flattened antler as a "seater" or simply flip the capper around in my hand to use the backside of the capper to get the cap fully seated on the nipple. Failure to do so sometimes results in needing a second pull of the hammer to fire the cap, and that takes unneeded time. In my 30s, 40s and even into my 50s I was a fairly good competitor, winning several matches in my category... now in my 70s, I'm not so inclined and often find myself just loafing along, working on "clean" stages and matches. Frontiersman category requires one handed shooting, which I neither enjoy, nor practice at. So I'm slow... get over it, or practice... the 8th deadly sin IMO! LOL!

Lastly, the rifle: ...,

Here's a new book by an icon in the game: George Balyor's "Big Bad Book on Cowboy Action Shooting". I haven't read it yet, but if his articles in the SASS Chronicle are anything to go by, it'll be worth the investment.
 
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I guess i wont win any tournaments because i was just going to run the piettas till the wheel falls off...lol
I didnt realize people modified their tools to that extent.
 
I think it would be a bit arderous to shoot a whole match with cap and ball and again would worry about being that guy that slows everything up. It would be fun if there was a side match that you could enter. One that was fairly common at IPSC matches BINTD was a straight up speed shoot. 5 steel plates with a rope reset lever. you could enter as many time as you wanted and the fastest run of the day won the pot. usually you get five runs for your money and threw out your slowest run so your score was your combined time of 4 best runs. for cap and ball it would be better to have it be two runs. again so you would not hold up the works too long. bring two pistols and have them both loaded before the stage. ..
 
I realize CAS doesnt always fit in with the cap and ball genre of shootists games. However, any time i can get out of the present time we live in I will.
The point of this post is to ask if others have participated in CAS using Piettas and can they hold up to the 2 guns portion of Cowboy Action Shooting competitions?

Also, i would ask the low cost coach guns that will be able to function in the competitions as well.

I am new to all of this but once im in, i dive in the deep side.
I'm more of a fan of Pietta's than Uberti's. Short arbors on Ubertis's and I don't truly believe they are built as well as Pietta's. @45D will disagree with me on build quality, BUT if you buy an Uberti, he is the one to ask about fixing the short arbor.
 
I think it would be a bit arderous to shoot a whole match with cap and ball and again would worry about being that guy that slows everything up. It would be fun if there was a side match that you could enter. One that was fairly common at IPSC matches BINTD was a straight up speed shoot. 5 steel plates with a rope reset lever. you could enter as many time as you wanted and the fastest run of the day won the pot. usually you get five runs for your money and threw out your slowest run so your score was your combined time of 4 best runs. for cap and ball it would be better to have it be two runs. again so you would not hold up the works too long. bring two pistols and have them both loaded before the stage. ..
If it is an issue and we hold up things up, and people are making an issue of it. We can move on to something else. This is all fun for me. Im not there to win anything. If the group i meet are super competitive then well find one that isnt. If possible. If not, i guess we will find outdoor range with steel targets.
 
I guess i wont win any tournaments because i was just going to run the piettas till the wheel falls off...lol
I didnt realize people modified their tools to that extent.
Never shot the cowboy matches but did compete for years in un-mentionable pistol matches you would be surprised how tweaked the guns are,
 
I used to use a pair of Pietta 1851s in 44 caliber
5 inch barrels
Ran real good
Make sure your caps are seated
Lube your balls
Rub a bit of lube over the front of the cylinder to keep fouling soft
Flip your wrist to help toss old caps off
They will put you in the top ten if you do your part.
Kid Couteau
 
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